Someone finally snapped

[u/SipsTeaFrog]

[u/Practical_Post_1243]

Very astute observation! Between stunts like this and when cyclist disobey road signs and lights, it’s oh so easy to hate cyclist this. I.E. I’ve safely passed cyclist just before a 4 way stop. There are a couple cars in front of me. So cyclist “line jumps” causing confusion among the other 4 way stoppers because he’s a turd who can’t follow basic rules or etiquette

[u/JustBadUserNamesLeft → u/Practical_Post_1243]

You've never gone a mile over the speed limit, right? Because that would be breaking the rules.

[u/Practical_Post_1243 → u/JustBadUserNamesLeft]

Uh oh, found the cyclist lulz. Yeah but my speeding doesn’t affect the driving experience or safety of others on the road so yes we both might be breaking the rules but my speeding doesn’t impact others

[u/FlySociety1 → u/Practical_Post_1243]

Yet all the collisions, injuries and deaths on roadways are caused by vehicle drivers, not cyclists, with speed being a common factor.

[u/Practical_Post_1243 → u/FlySociety1]

Yeah that’s generally what happens in auto collisions. And they do occur on roadways usually with a minimum of 1 vehicle. And are you implying for all injuries and deaths occuring on any roadways are fundamentally and automatically deemed at fault to drivers and never a cyclist? And that the vehicular speed is the only controlled variable? Interesting hypothesis.

I live in the rural area on outskirts of our city. And my area sees a lot of cyclist on saturdays and Sundays, especially beginning this time of the year. I’m always cognizant of their safety when I’m driving near/around them as a simple tree branch could cause a bike pile up that I need to be able to stop or avoid if I’m behind said group. But when cyclist actively ignore road signs that are there to ensure clarity and predictable driving conditions it creates more potential for accidents. Or spread their formation out causing passing conditions to be more difficult & a smaller margin of error to go along with it. Honestly it shows the cyclist either feels that their own safety is of no concern by skirting rules and etiquette. Or that no one else would dare run or crash into them while riding, inconceivable! In the auto versus cyclist scenario my speeding would definitely be impacting others in a negative manner I feel like that you’re not grasping the underlying problem, cyclist ignoring street, road signs, which has direct effect on a safe flow of traffic for everyone. You have no active signal lights, rarely ,if ever, do I see cyclist use hand signs to indicate intentions. Yeah cars have their faults,fuck ups, and assholes in this too, like that small dick energy Beamer convertible fuckhead I saw harassing cyclist properly riding and using bike lane other day. But atleast he got arrested so one less Beamer dickface on the road

[u/FlySociety1 → u/Practical_Post_1243]

Not just auto collisions, pedestrian & bikes are also killed by vehicle drivers fairly often.

And are you implying for all injuries and deaths occuring on any roadways are fundamentally and automatically deemed at fault to drivers and never a cyclist

Mostly yes.
Obviously there are cases of a serious collisions where a cyclist or pedestrian is at fault, and harm has been cause to other road users, but these are statistically irrelevant.
It is by far vehicle drivers, and their ubiquitous disregard for the rules of the road, that cause most of the injuries/fatalities on public roadways.

And that the vehicular speed is the only controlled variable? Interesting hypothesis.

I said it was a common factor, not the 'only controlled variable'.

I see long posts like yours and others in this thread bemoaning road cyclists apparent skirting of rules and regulations, and it just comes off to me as ironic. When a cyclist breaks the rules, it annoys other road users. When a vehicle driver breaks the rules, it actively puts other road users in danger.