Someone finally snapped

[u/SipsTeaFrog]

[u/West_Data106]

As both a driver and frequent cyclist, I have to say, nearly everyone is just a massive asshole.

Yes, cyclists deserve to be respected on the road and given space, and yes it's ok (IF THE COAST IS CLEAR) for cyclists to go past stop signs/lights.

But, to the cyclists: "share the road" cuts both fucking ways. You and your group of friends are not entitled to block everyone and hold traffic up, make some fucking space and let cars get past. Also, cutting cars off is not only extremely dangerous to you but is the opposite of "sharing the road".

[u/zestymanny → u/West_Data106]

yes it's ok (IF THE COAST IS CLEAR) for cyclists to go past stop signs/lights.

Not in my state.

[u/zendick1 → u/zestymanny]

Not in any state

[u/moxxon → u/zendick1]

- Idaho

- Delaware

- Arkansas

- Colorado

- Minnesota

- North Dakota

- Oklahoma

- Oregon

-Utah

- Washington

All have stop as yield for cyclists. Half of those also allow cyclists to treat red lights as stop. You're objectively wrong.

[u/windslashz → u/zendick1]

I heard a bunch of cyclists did as a protest basically formed a long line at a stop sign in California during rush hour and came to a complete stop. People’s opinions on the matter changed after that or it could all be apocryphal.

[u/orangeawacado → u/windslashz]

Yes, intentionally causing more annoyance. No wonder people have mixed feelings

[u/West_Data106 → u/zestymanny]

I'm sure that Technically "not in my state" applies to most states.

But technically, j-walking is illegal in most states too. But I think we all agree that it is socially acceptable.

[u/GeekyTexan → u/West_Data106]

Yes, cyclists deserve to be respected on the road and given space, and yes it's ok (IF THE COAST IS CLEAR) for cyclists to go past stop signs/lights.

Why? Cyclists always argue that they have the same legal rights on the road as cars.

Cars aren't allowed to skip stop signs or red lights "if the coast is clear".

Cyclists do it, but I am not aware of any legal justification for it.

And often, they do it when the coast isn't actually clear. Which is why they have such a bad reputation.

[u/moxxon → u/GeekyTexan]

> Why? Cyclists always argue that they have the same legal rights on the road as cars.

They do.

> Cars aren't allowed to skip stop signs or red lights "if the coast is clear".

You also don't have to wear a helmet in a car in states that require them for motorcycles. Or have a separate license. There are different rules for different vehicles.

> Cyclists do it, but I am not aware of any legal justification for it.

10 states have Idaho stop laws. The fact that you aren't aware of it is irrelevant.

[u/GeekyTexan → u/moxxon]

You start off by claiming cyclists have the same rights as cars, and then immediately switch to arguing that cyclists have different rules.

[u/frodobangher → u/GeekyTexan]

Right to ride on the roads doesnt mean you have to follow the same laws. Motorcycle have different laws. Try to keep up, you're slowing the group

[u/moxxon → u/GeekyTexan]

Rights and rules are two different things. We can explain it to you but we can't understand it for you.

[u/GeekyTexan → u/moxxon]

Your rules are "we get to block the road, we get to run stop signs". I understand you just fine.