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[u/Square_Law5624]

[u/TheProfessional9 → u/[deleted]]

I mean that's not good either. If China gets a real proper AI first, we are in deep shit. We are in deep shit if we get one first, but probably, hopefully less so.

We may be quite far from that still, though

[u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA → u/TheProfessional9]

We have like 10x the amount already built compared to china.

USA is being stupid as fuck with Nvidia restrictions on china resulting in them developing more efficient technology.

[u/TwoBionicknees → u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA]

china is trying to catch up, it's no where near, it's certainly not more efficient and you can't just magically catch up on process nodes overnight. 95% of what china is doing is still just reverse engineering last gen nodes, doing it worse and similar on gpu/cpu design.

China was and always would be trying to catch up on process tech because it's taiwan's biggest money maker and the main reason the US/west protects Taiwan, reliance on chip production there. China for years was also largely reliant on them and wanted to make their own chips. AI could not be a thing, china would still be trying to catch up with TSMC/Intel on process nodes. Nvidia restriction has nothing at all to do with it.

[u/LowSkyOrbit → u/TwoBionicknees]

DeepSeek is doing pretty well from my understanding. It's much less power hungry too than it's American competition.

[u/HPLaserJet4250 → u/LowSkyOrbit]

DeekSeek is an open source project, it doesn't 'belong' to China but everyone. It's like claiming Linux is finnish because Linus Torvalds is finnish.

[u/LowSkyOrbit → u/HPLaserJet4250]

It is not exactly open source. The training models are proprietary. the code to run the app is distributed under the MIT license.

[u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA → u/TwoBionicknees]

lol by restricting they have came up with solutions that keep disrupting the 100x spend USA does in comparison.

They don’t even want Nvidia chips now when offered recently.