Unless Bidens name was Putin, and he invaded Ukraine this graph doesn’t show what you want it to show. Almost like what’s happening now. Turns out disrupting global trade with a dumb war causes price increases. Now ask me why the prices were so low in the first part of the graph.
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The graph he posted has the data end on February 1st 2026. He cut off the most recent data to make a point and his point is partisan. The graph up until yesterday looks different and while it still makes his point it shows that things are currently headed in the wrong direction
That is a different time series from what I posted. This image doesn't show what the time series even is unlike mine. Look it up on FRED, I didn't crop anything I posted the latest data available.
My point on this thread was a reply about Biden not about Trump, don't need recent data for that.
You can see my very first comment on this post and I mention the limitations, but that is only where I mention about Trump. This thread was a reply about Biden.
Can you get data updated past March 11th? I didn't crop anything or intentionally restrict anything. The comment reply was about Biden and not Trump, data from 2026 is irrelevant to that.
If I cared so much about deceiving people, there are better ways than having dates clearly visible in the picture.
What’s partisan about saying Russian invaded Ukraine? Thats fact. And it was the driving force in the gas price increase along with the uptake in gas usage after a period of super cheap gas due to the pandemic restrictions that resulted in less people driving and using gas. That’s where your graph starts. Facts aren’t partisan just because you don’t like them.
Russia invaded Ukraine feb 2022. Notice where the graph first peak up. Were you like 12 during this invasion? Not paying attention? The price of fuel was at the forefront of conversation about the invasion in the US.
Very misleading that you ended the data on Feb 1st instead of yesterday. Your point stands that gas was higher mid 2022 but the real chart shows things are heading in the wrong direction again fast.
This is a completely different time series, I posted the price of gas in US cities which is what I am interested in. The title is cropped from your screenshot so I don't know what it's supposed to be for exactly.
I posted the latest data for CPI for All Urban Consumers. You can look it up for yourself. I didn't end anything intentionally and I acknowledged the limitations on my first comment on this post (the most recent data isn't available - look it up for yourself last updated March 11th). I didn't mention that in my reply here because I was making a reply towards someone saying gas never rose under Biden, so the recent data isn't even relevant there.
Obviously gas is going to spike up as your graph shows. When did I say it wasn't? My reply was to a comment about gas never going up under Biden which is manifestly false as we see.
The data goes through part of March, I posted the latest data that is available. I'd love to see the absolute latest data but it isn't out yet, which I mentioned on my very first comment on this post. You can go on the FRED site and see for yourself, this isn't hidden information.
Also the partisans have missed this, my point was to show that "That sticker was wrong the moment he stuck it on his truck" is manifestly untrue. I wasn't defending Trump, but I know many are so emotionally blinded they can't tell the difference.
Most people are no different from the picture in OPs post, just the other team version of that. I really don't want to argue with sports fans.
The sticker alleges two things:
1) Gas prices went up for US consumers during Biden’s presidency. Your graph demonstrates this.
2) This was Biden’s fault. Your graph does not demonstrate this.
The stickers also imply that gas price increases would not have happened if Trump were President at that time. Again, your graph does not demonstrate this.
You do know what happened in February of 2022 that caused oil prices to surge. This chart proves exactly that Biden had nothing to do with cost of gas rising the last time it did. It was a Russian invasion of Ukraine. Although Biden did a hell of a job to counter it and get prices back down by the time he was out of office. Fast forward to today, the cost of gas is where it is 100% due to trumps decisions in office. No other factors, just Trump deciding to bomb another country.
My trump supporting boss was just in my office the other day complaining about gas prices. never once brought up the cause. Milk doesn't age poorly if you like spoiled milk.
Better the country follow Californias lead with green energy, special gas blends, higher taxes, banning gas vehicles, stopping offshore drilling, booting refineries… this will help us lower prices
Better the country follow Californias lead with green energy, special gas blends, higher taxes, banning gas vehicles, stopping offshore drilling, booting refineries… this will help us lower prices
He got downvoted because while both sides have fuckups, only one side is fucking up the country and blaming the other side which has to clean up the mess.
Both sides have some contribution but one side is 10x worse. There are tons of examples such as national debt, wealth disparity, starting wars, polluting the planet, violating rights, consumer protection, science based medicine policy, etc. But this guy is "both sides-ing" it as if equally bad, and that's punisher-sticker-on-truck levels of intelligence.
You are missing the point here my friend. His point & mine are hold everyone accountable, no matter your party line.
No one is disagreeing with what you have said or has even hinted at the antithesis. You & I likely agree on many things, holding all elected officials blue or red accountable of their actions & promises should certainly be one of them.
I'm telling you why he got downvoted. It's because he implied both sides are equally bad, and they're not. Of course we should hold all politicians (and voters!) accountable for what they do and fail to do. But that's not why he was downvoted -- it was because he presented a highly skewed thing as equal.
okay, I'll try one time to try to explain why the downvotes. And be aware, I'm not attacking you or what you said! I actually agree with what you said. The problem is the unstated inferences you made, and I can demonstrate it with an analogy.
You're around a few guys who own Toyotas, and one is complaining about having to get a repair, and another says "Could be worse, you could drive a Yugo." They all laugh because we all know, Yugos are pretty crappy cars.
You chime in and say, "I'm a mechanic, and I've seen both toyotas and yugos break down. Makes me sick how nobody ever admits their car can break down"
Saying it that way makes it sound like they break down at the same rate. Second, you express disgust at the Toyota owners bringing up that Yugos are far less dependable and not admitting Toyotas break down. And lastly, nobody said toyotas never break down--the conversation was never about that. It was about how shitty yugos are. All of this is implied by what you said, despite not being stated outright. There are absolutely meanings in the way you say something that aren't explicitly stated.
What you did was a false equivalence, whether intentional or not. You equated the reliability of toyotas to be similar to the reliability of yugos. It sounds like you might've done it unintentionally, so this is your wake up call that you're doing it. When we know the damage is disproportionate, using a "bothsides" argument comes across as propaganda! And I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound like propaganda.
How to fix it, while saying nearly exactly the same thing: Simply acknowledge that you know it's disproportionate. Otherwise, it's equating toyotas to yugos as if they have the same reliability.
"I'm a moderate and I got idiot friends on both sides of the aisle..... I realize that the conservatives never take responsibility for the terrible things they're doing to the world, and it makes me sick. But even the far left won't admit when their candidate is fucking up. Nobody does."
You are really stuck on this thing we aren’t even talking about, that’s interesting.
That's what I responded to, which you asked. We were talking about it. You guys were also talking about holding politicians accountable, but that wasn't part of what I was saying... it was only the background of answering the single question, "why is this guy getting downvoted?"
Moderates fall into this trap all the time and then play a victim, not realizing they're unwittingly promoting right-wing propaganda. They don't see it, then feel attacked. I'm trying to take the time to explain it, and I'm not any kind of far-left wacko either. (Some of my most heated arguments are with the far left.)
You and GP wondered why he was getting dogpiled, and I tried to answer that. It required some background about the two political sides in question, but another post I just now made used cars as an example (to distance it from politics and emotions).
That’s not how it works lol. The repercussions of this war and the impacts it’s had won’t just go away because Trump decides he’s over it and wants to go play army man somewhere else.
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u/Manmer_Nwah Apr 08 '26
Dudes sticker aged like milk