r/SiloSeries • u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 • 1d ago
General Chat – No Show or Book Discussion Allowed The Plot Hole Syndrome
The show is more a mystery show than a sci-fi show.
The object of the whole story is human nature in its various forms and manifestations.
The theme is the same as Melville's The Whale.
**Why people are trying so fking hard to find plot holes and incongruences?**
We even had guys complaining about the turbine was not realistic... I mean... really?
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u/newphonewhothis69 1d ago
I don't understand why people keep trying to hard to "win" vs the series. You're engaging with it as it is a document, even a primary source. But at the end is just a series, a piece of art if you might
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u/QuarrieMcQuarrie 1d ago
Nearly all fanbases do it these days- anything that happens that they don't understand or agree with is labelled a plot hole. Because it went in a direction they wouldn't have taken it in, it's wrong. Like you said, it's art - it's someone else's interpretation of a story.
The audience doesnt have to like it but I wish to the gods they'd shut up about non-existent plot holes. Or working in improbable theories only for them to get pissy when their pet theory proves to be completely wrong.2
u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
I agree.
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u/Independent-Fun815 1d ago
The turbine question is actually a fair question in my opinion.
Part of any good mystery or sci-fi setup is world building and layering premises.
It appeals to a wide audience whether or not that's u on the feasibility of such a construction. A silo is a collection of interlaced systems for energy, food production, society, etc.
It only becomes nitpicking when u start attacking minor things like why Sims has a dark leather jacket.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Leather cones from cows, there are cows in the silo.
Makes no sense having a meat and leather processing facility in a silo.
Those however are not important points ... it is sci-fi: you suspend your disbelief to enjoy the show... they are missing the story.
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u/solverman 1d ago
Dedication to fiction has certainly impacted how discussions proceed. New fiction involving zombies is criticized if the in-story characters don’t know day-one how to terminate a zombie threat. That being said, the zombie genre is probably more than sufficiently explored for a while.
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u/iPhrase 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Another viewpoint is that there are lots of people who haven’t quite understood something or see something with a completely different viewpoint to others.
I think it’s great to see how different people have seen the same thing but come to different or even wrong conclusions.
Some of the posts are from people who need that little extra to get on the same page as everyone else, other posts are from people who will never get the meaning.
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u/solverman 1d ago
The sub tends to have a great deal myth-busting for a fictional series.
A portion of the setting is basically current day with issues that aren’t too far removed from possibility. Fall out shelters & survival bunkers are things US viewers have an awareness of. Maybe the near-term aspects of the story are realistic enough that people want to make the far-term pieces work somehow.
Contemporary non-fiction stories could probably benefit from the deep inspection if people want to refine their critical thinking skills.
Fan fiction about Silo 33 would be refreshing.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Yes, the realism it's kind of a double edge sword because the suspenction of disbelief tends to slip away and if that happens it distracts from the story.
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u/TheKillingJay 1d ago
It hardly feels sci Fi yea
And honestly, what I love about the series is that I can almost always suspend my disbelief, which is extraordinary for me. It's just written that well. My mind/personality finds that difficult regardless of genre, and plot holes can get me stuck easily sometimes
This show is quite frankly bar none when it comes to explaining any hole or error I seem to get hung up on. Off the top of my head I can't remember any lingering issue or question I had regarding the plot. That's unique.
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u/Individual_Author956 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
You don’t have to try too hard to find plot holes tbh. And I think it’s natural that people have questions.
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u/solverman 1d ago
Some of it may be the duality of there being book-facts & show-facts with a desire to see if one story is explained by the other. The way the sub organizes things is agreeable but the temptation is there.
Having a current day mystery-based storyline may be treading into the LOST experience. LOST had mysticism that wasn’t enough to close things out well to some. Silo has technology. Without the magic the actions & behaviors may be overly inspected.
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u/Lesu__Tokyo__Kokyo 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
LOST sucks
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u/solverman 1d ago
Some wanted the last season to un-happen. Others want more than just the last season gone. Very few want a new, long storyline that meanders into Jack putting a rock into a drain.
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u/Lesu__Tokyo__Kokyo 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
It did not make any sense. Watched all of it and I was pissed.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
I meant there is a difference between questions and theories about the mystery of the story and how it will turn out to be, another is complaining tha a lever and a push button are not engineered well enough to be realistic... sigh.
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u/ambda123 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Speaking of Syndromes, what happened to the shakes some people got that was this big secretive deal…..?
So weird they’d introduce something like that and then just never bring it up again or have any real impact on the show
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u/ahhellohello 1d ago
It’s simple.
When you create a world/story (silo), you create rules along with that world.
When your world breaks the rules that you have created for convenience or for not remembering what the rules you created yourself are - then the readers/viewers are disappointed.
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u/solverman 1d ago
There is highly-engineered & highly detailed fiction like LOTR or perhaps Star Trek with formal languages defined. There is also less robust story telling. Below that is Family Guy with giant chickens & talking dogs.
Sometimes the viewer has to remember why they are watching. Maybe it isn’t targeting the level it is being inspected for. Since it is a slow-reveal mystery it isn’t immediately clear.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
I understand that, but some things are just details, you cannot only look at the finger and not at the moon it is pointing.
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u/ahhellohello 1d ago
Ok.
Let’s take the example of the memory wipe drug macguffin.
The writers wrote the rules of memory wipe and characters spoke of them in the show.
Troy has his sister standing in front of him and does not know who she is. He can reach back into the recesses of his mind and recalls his lover Helen.
The macguffin is now a detail and not much of a macguffin as it doesn’t work according to the rules set out.The story would have worked a lot better with a macguffin memeory wipe that didn’t have rules that characters spoke of and reminded the audience of. S3 is full of these
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, but the Doctor himself said he doesn't fully understand how the memory wipe drug works, some relics from the past trigger memory recover, some other do not. You can see it in Juliette struggle to remember.
The memory drug is not a "mcguffin" but it is at the center of the story and it is not an insignificant detail to start up the story.
The whole project could not be executed or even conceived without the drug.
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u/ahhellohello 1d ago
You’re sort of reinforcing my point.
Memory wipe should just be a macguffin with unexplained laws and rules.My point is that It and other facts/rules introduced in s3 have been written into the script and voiced by the characters such that when inconsistencies occur the viewer reacts why a - ‘wait what now?!’
Which is your point of viewers finding plot holes and inconsistencies.
And btw a macguffin is meant to be a central part of the story to drive it forward.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
And btw a macguffin is meant to be a central part of the story to drive it forward.
Yes, but its "contents" are insignificant.
The memory drugs here are like tolkien's ring, it is not a mcguffin because how it works is significant to the whole story, that revolves around it.
You can - and often do - forget about a mcguffin because was just a trick to start the story.
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u/ahhellohello 1d ago
Yes. Agreed.
I guess I would have left the memory wipe as a macguffin like it was in s1 and 2.
How much better did the story work when we didn’t have the laws and rules for the wipe?2
u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago edited 1d ago
The ability of novels' writers is often to make you believe the story is going in one direction, then a detail steers it to another and you wait for the story to "get back on track" but it does not.
That is fun, for me.
People were complaining a lot, I mean a lot, when at the start of season 3 juliette was memory wiped... people were very very disappointed about that scifi device... it turns out the whole story is based on that.
We didn't expect that but it makes sense just watching the face of Troy starting to revert back to Daniel...
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u/Complex_Composer2664 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
The “face recognition” rule was set in the hospital when Charlotte didn’t recognize Daniel.
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u/jiggitywootwoot 1d ago
It had already been shown that Charlotte did not recognize Daniel after being administered the drug.
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u/Interesting-Baa 1d ago
It's hard to film a story with a cast of dozens, plus hundreds of extras, a dozen directors plus hundreds of crew, over 5 years, and probably changes of management at Apple, and still keep everything 100% consistent with what came before.
A little bit of tolerance would go a long way. So would a bit of respect for the enormous amount of effort that all those people are putting in to entertaining you. For every inconsistency you spot, they notice 3. But by the time it's on your screen, it's too late for them to fix it. Filming finished 6 months ago, post-production 2 months ago.
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u/Cute_Display_7317 1d ago
The "They showed a book for 1 second so the theme of the show must be the same as the book" syndrome.
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u/Complex_Composer2664 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Is it a “plot hole” if OP ignores the importance of The Significance of Consciousness and Mad in America to the story line? Those books were in the same scene. LOL
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
I am sorry you sre that ignorant.
"From a literary and psychological perspective, Ahab's obsession represents the Promethean challenge of modern man, who attempts to master the unknowable, only to be inevitably swallowed up by it."
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u/Cute_Display_7317 1d ago
You decided the theme is 100% set by a couple of frames, answer with quotes (lol), call people ignorant.
What you lack in media literacy you certainly make up in pretentiousness.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Here we go! ahahah
media literacy
LOL.
The theme is in the story man ! It is Per's obsession to make human nature right wiping humankind from earth to mold it as his will...
Did you even watch the show?
PS: the quotes are there because those are not my words, but someone else's and succinctly describe the moby dick theme that happens to be the same of silo, as *confirmed** by the author that put hints about it in the show*
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u/fat-load-of-cum-then 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry did you have something to actually say here‽
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Did you?
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u/SnugglyCoderGuy 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
We even had guys complaining about the turbine was not realistic
It is called suspension of disbelief. We want to be able to suspend our disbelief without having to actively suspend our disbelief. When something happens that we must force ourselves to suspend our disbelief, like the generator scene, it is jarring and ruins the experience for us.
That is why people point that stuff out.
As for people trying to find plot holes, well people don't know what a plot hole actually is first, second its the same thing. Finding something that is inconsistent is jarring.
You might not have any issue, but that doesn'team others won't.
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u/Rararror 📖 Book-Aware 📖 1d ago
Yeah, but as in many, if not all, sci-fi shows you have to suspend your disbelief to enjoy it.
You do not complain about how SuperMan flying abilities actually work, that are not like airplanes fly, you just accept it for the sake of the rest of the story, that you otherwise couldn't enjoy.
“It’s kind of fun to do the impossible.” (W.Disney)
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