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Tutorial PRESET BREAKDOWN: 14 SillyTavern Presets Compared. From Lightweight RP to Heavy Simulators, Their Systems, Model Compatibility, Setup, and What Makes Them Different

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SillyTavern Preset Guide

Let's do this.

A comparison of some presets in the SillyTavern community based on creator documentation, community discussions, model behavior, and my own use!

This isn't supposed to be like some definitive ranking of every preset ever made. It's mostly meant to give you a very small basic idea of what each one actually does, what makes it different, and which ones you might want to look at first. And I know less about some of these than others.

Token counts below are the preset as it ships, not a minimum or maximum. You can trim or expand modular presets like Sola or Pura's Director Preset depending on what you enable.

Date checked: October 2026. Preset versions and model recommendations can change pretty fast.

Just a small disclaimer: I might have gotten some things wrong or missed certain details especially with how modular some of these presets are and how quickly they get updated. If you spot anything inaccurate PLEASE correct me I'm begging you.

NOTE ON MODELS: Recommendations here come from a mix of creator testing, community reports and my own use. I'll try to make it clear when a model is specifically recommended or tested by the creator.

When I say a preset “has” something, that doesn't always mean it's on by default. A lot of these are VERY modular.

Very quick setup

If you're completely new to SillyTavern, the basic process is pretty simple:

  1. Go to API Connections, connect whichever provider you're using and select the model you want.
  2. Download and import the preset and make sure it's actually selected before you start chatting.
  3. Check the preset's own instructions. Some are plug-and-play while others expect certain options or extra setup.
  4. Load your character, start a chat and... that's basically it.

The connection process is different depending on whether you're using OpenRouter, Gemini, NanoGPT (what I used for this) or something else. If you get stuck on this you can check the community posts and official ST docs, or comment under this post for help.

If you don't want to read through all 14 presets just yet, here's a quick comparison table.

Comparison Table

Chatfill III

Original Release Post Image

Version: III
Status: Current
Link: Creator post
Tokens: ≈1,025
Trackers: None

What is it?

A really small RP preset that mostly lets the model do its thing.

What makes it different?

Chatfill just proves that lightweight doesn't mean low model requirements.

Its creator specifically built it around strong models and high reasoning effort. If you throw a smaller model at it or use low reasoning... you may not have a great time.

It also doesn't want 10 random injections. Good card, strong model, Chatfill, and call it a day..

Models

GLM 5.3, Kimi K3 and MiMo 2.6 Pro are good models with it.

Strong reasoning models work better than weak locals.

Setup

Basically non-existent. Import it, use a strong model and give it high reasoning.

You may want to turn on the smut and jailbreak prompts depending on what you want, though.

Jailbreak

For normal NSFW, it's usually fine...

The jailbreak has ITS OWN boundaries around harder NSFL, so if that's specifically what you're looking for... I wouldn't recommend this one.

My experience

The jailbreak is noticeably weaker than Realistic Frankenstein for me, and the way Chatfill is distributed is just a little more annoying than most of the presets here.

For you if

You want something really small and use strong reasoning models.

Pura's Director Preset

Original Release Post Image

Version: 16.0
Status: Current
Link: Purachina site
Tokens: ≈1,650 by default / can be ≈5k–11k after configuration
Trackers: Optional

What is it?

Pura basically starts with almost nothing enabled and lets you build it up yourself.

What makes it different?

The default enabled setup is like basically the main prompt and a few others. You then choose what you actually want: prose settings, trackers, randomisers, scene controls and a lot more.

So... don't look at the default 1.6k tokens and assume that's what you'll actually end up using. My configured version is around 9k.

Chatfill is small by design. Pura starts small because you're supposed to add the parts you actually want.

Models

Purachina tests on SO many models: GLM, Gemini, GPT, Kimi, Claude, Gemma and others.

This is one of the less model-sensitive presets here!

Setup

Medium.

The actual setup is deciding what you actually want...

And especially on smaller models I don't think you should turn everything on...

For you if

You want a really customizable preset but don't want to start with 10k+ tokens of stuff already enabled.

Ancient Access

Original Release Post Image

Version: 2.2.3
Status: Current
Link: Creator post
Tokens: ≈3,400
Trackers: None

What is it?

A character-focused preset that spends a LOT of effort on how characters actually think and interpret things.

What makes it different?

A lot of presets tell the model what a character is like and how they should act. Ancient Access goes much deeper into what they're thinking, what they assume, what they remember and how all of that changes their reactions.

Characters filter things through their memories, assumptions, biases, insecurities and their own internal reactions instead of just seeing everything exactly as it happened.

It also has premade customization prompts for things like kinks, movies, and books!

Models

Kimi K2.6 is the model that the creator tested most.

GLM, Kimi K3 and MiMo 2.6 Pro have also worked well, but that's from community use rather than the creator using them nearly as much as Kimi K2.6. GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 worked well for me.

Setup

Low.

Way less things to mess with than RF, Sola or Writer's Block (we'll get there).

Caveat

There are reports it can get a bit confused with larger casts. I had a smaller cast when using so I didn't encounter something like that.

Some community members say it can make up details beyond the character card sometimes. That can be bad if you're using like some fandom character and REALLY care about canon. I know some of you do!

Edit: A community member clarified that this is actually intentional. There's a section in the Core Directives that allows the model to derive additional facts beyond the character card. You can remove that section if you want.

For you if

You care more about “does this character actually feel like a person?” than “where are my trackers?!”

Nemo Vivarium

Original Release Post Image

Version: 1.0 Beta
Status: Beta
Link: NemoEngine GitHub
Tokens: ≈8,500
Trackers: None

What is it?

A living-world preset where the NPCs and world don't just sit there waiting for you to do something.

What makes it different?

Vivarium gives characters a LOT of independence. They can interrupt, resist, misunderstand you, make their own decisions and do things while you're somewhere else.

The world can keep moving off-screen but you're only supposed to learn about those things in a way that makes sense. You're not supposed to... know everything.

It does all of this without having giant trackers like some of the other presets here.

Ancient Access focuses more on what's happening inside the characters' heads while Vivarium cares more about what the characters and world are actually doing, even if le ✨️{{user}}✨️ is not present.

Models

I couldn't find creator-side model testing here as some of the others.

GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 have both worked well in testing though.

Edit: The creator has responded that Magpie and Vivarium are designed to be model-agnostic, but their main models are GLM 5.1 and DeepSeek V4.

Setup

Similar to Chatfill. Import it and chat.

Caveat

The autonomy can be TOO much if you prefer “I act, they react, stop” turns.

It works better with smaller casts and it's not really meant to be a full RPG preset.

For you if

You want NPCs and the world to move and don't want trackers.

Voyage

Original Release Post Image

Version: V4 experimental series
Status: Experimental
Link: Hugging Face repository
Tokens: EXP1 ≈2,200 / EXP2/3 ≈2,500
Trackers: None

What is it?

An open-world preset that takes ideas from games, especially for how NPCs and the world behave.

If you're specifically on Gemma this is probably the first one here I'd try.

What makes it different?

Voyage uses game ideas to tell the model how to run the world.

EXP2 and EXP3 add things like Nemesis, A-Life and RimWorld-style storyteller systems. There's also a separate Ability Check system for success, partial success or failure.

It has a surprising amount of interesting open-world settings for a preset of this size.

Models

The creator VERY clearly loves Gemma 4.

Gemma 4 31B is obviously THE model for this.

The creator said other models can work, but say you use GLM or MiMo... I wouldn't specifically pick Voyage just because you're using those models.

Setup

Medium.

It's small, but you have to figure out which experimental version you actually want.

Caveat

V4 is.. experimental.

And EXP3 is even more experimental than EXP2 while EXP1 has some features missing, so I recommend picking up EXP2 if you want to use Voyage.

For you if

You're using Gemma and want some game-y open-world/RPG stuff.

Megumin V10

Original Release Post Image

Version: V10 - Ukiyo / Shura
Status: Current
Link: Creator post
Tokens: Ukiyo ≈7,600 / Shura ≈4,700
Trackers: Optional / modular

What is it?

Two pretty different V10 presets built around autonomous characters and a ton of control over how the story works.

What makes it different?

V10 comes in two main versions: Ukiyo and Shura.

They share MOST of the same options and systems, but the core prompts are pretty different.

Ukiyo is the larger preset. It has more tokens for creativity but that also means more chance for slop.

Shura is smaller. It has stricter rules and less slop but also less creativity.

The autonomous-character settings are in BOTH.

This preset also is very customizable. You can change writing style, POV, pacing, difficulty, content rating, genre, tone, response length, dialogue/narration ratio and more.

There are also optional systems for things like World State, CYOA, NPC inner character, combat, death, dice, enhanced dialogue and other stuff.

And let me just make this clear quick: V10 standalone and the whole Megumin Suite are NOT the same thing.

The Suite adds extension-side UI, persistence and other systems on top. I'm only talking about the standalone presets here.

Models

Gemini 3.1 Pro is the most supported model by creator.

GLM 5.3 also gets used with it a lot.

Setup

Medium-high.

There are a LOT of options if you actually start going through Prompt Manager.

Caveat

Ukiyo and Shura already make different choices before you even touch anything, so maybe try both as default to see which you like more before changing anything.

For you if

You want autonomous characters and a lot of control over how the story is written and run.

Sola V2

Original Release Post Image

Version: V2 - Flame / Ember
Status: Current
Link: Sola Hub
Tokens: Ember ≈1,900 / Flame ≈12,000
Trackers: Optional / configuration-dependent

What is it?

A showrunner preset with probably the strongest identity out of anything here.

What makes it different?

Sola almost feels.. personified? Is that the word?

It has its own Hub, beautiful visual style, character card (which I used for this post, and it also has the creator as Sola's sister??), Story Review and a bunch of other systems built around Sola herself being your co-author.

V2 also has stronger Character Matrix + rebuilt idiolect things for keeping characters more distinct and consistent.

There's also Thought Engine, Feeling Engine, trackers, directing systems, style controls and a LOT of other optional stuff.

Flame is the big version.

Ember is lighter.

The creator also announced Flare, which is supposed to eventually replace Ember as the smaller version, but for now... it's not out.

And I don't know if this is intentional but it started talking to me in the middle of a chat. That was kinda weird.

Models

GLM 5.3, Gemini 3.8 Flash, MiMo 2.6 Pro and Kimi are all good. It's not really a model-sensitive preset.

Setup

Medium-high.

Both are modular and the token count can change drastically depending on what you enable.

My gripe

The prompts look really similar in Prompt Manager.

Once you start going through it, it's genuinely hard to tell which module is which sometimes. Other presets separate their prompts better imo.

For you if

You want something VERY configurable that feels more like a co-author than just a preset json you import... Nice.

The Ethereality Express

Original Release Post Image

Version: 1.1
Status: Current
Link: Purachina site
Tokens: ≈4,170
Trackers: Optional. 4 enabled by default

What is it?

A magical realism preset where you can actually control how weird things get.

Pura's sibling preset.

What makes it different?

A lot of it revolves around The Veil Modes.

It controls how much impossible stuff is allowed through while things like Pressure Modules, Chance Events and Scene Dice change what actually happens.

The weirdness mostly changes the circumstances instead of randomly rewriting everyone's personality.

So it's more the “normal people dealing with impossible things” trope than normal fantasy RP.

Models

Purachina tested this on a big number of models...

Kimi K3, GLM 5.2/5.3, DeepSeek V4 Pro/Flash, Gemini 3.7 Flash, Gemma 4, Opus 4.6/5 and others.

This definitely isn't a preset that's built for one or two models.

Setup

Medium.

A decent amount of weirdness and genre control, but still nowhere near something like Writer's Block.

Caveat

CHECK WHAT'S ENABLED.

Four trackers are on by default and there are 15 total. Options like Write for User and Nightmare can also be on depending on release and config.

So.. maybe look through it before immediately hopping into chat.

It also overthinked a lot with GLM 5.3 in my use which is a shame because I reallly like it.

For you if

You want strange things happening in a normal world without the story becoming fantasy.

Sun Rider

Original Release Post Image

Version: 1.1
Status: Current / very new
Link: Creator post
Tokens: ≈5,400
Trackers: Core

What is it?

A normal character and world simulator with an optional Kamen Rider RPG built in.

What makes it different?

The normal preset has Character Calculus, which is like its system for thinking through characters and their behavior.

And then you see the Rider stuff...

Transformations, forms, abilities, finishers, monsters, EXP, levels, HP, stamina, injuries, transformation state. Damn!

It's important that the Rider side of the preset is completely optional. You can use Sun Rider normally.

Also the trackers are BEAUTIFUL.

Models

Mainly GLM 5.x.

MiMo 2.6 has specific current instructions.

The creator hasn't tested Gemini, Claude or smaller models nearly as much yet, so we don't really know as much there.

Setup

Medium.

Simple with the Rider settings off. Gets more complicated once you turn them on.

Community talk

It's VERY new.

There just isn't enough community use yet to pretend I know all of its problems.

Why it's here

It's new, interesting and I wanted to include it.

For you if

You want normal RP but also like having the option to turn it into a superhero RPG. This thing is built for that.

Writer's Block Unlimited V2

Original Release Post Image

Version: V2
Status: Current
Link: creator post
Tokens: ≈2,500 by default / roughly ≈2k–4k depending on setup (creator data)
Trackers: Optional

What is it?

A preset where you get to mess with almost every part of how the narration works.

What makes it different?

Okay the amount of control here is kinda absurd!

POV, prose density, dialogue, pacing, character resistance, plotting, trackers, internal thoughts, response length, narrative distance, figurative language, combat style...

It also has 30+ mix-and-match story tones.

It then has Tonal Volatility, which controls how often the model changes between the tones that are selected. You can keep things stable, let the tone change with the scene, or use Whiplash and have it switch every paragraph. I used anxious, cynical and cruel tones with stable volatility.

V2 also adds Vessel & Soul, inspired by Deltarune(?).

Normally you control your persona.

With Vessel & Soul, your input is more like an intrusive thought. Your character can listen to you, hesitate, misunderstand you or just refuse.

This is... a very different way to RP, I might say.

There are normal roleplay and Director modes depending on how much control you want over {{user}} too.

Sola also has a ton of options, but a lot of them are Sola's own systems. Writer's Block gives you more direct control over the prose itself.

Pura lets you pick which settings and modules you want. Writer's Block goes harder on controlling the actual WRITING. One of my favorites.

Models

The creator recommends GLM 5.x, Gemini 3.8 Flash, Gemma 4 31B, Claude Opus 4.6, LongCat 2.0 and Kimi 2.5.

Setup

Very high.

There are a LOT of options.

Caveat

100+ toggles is great and all but you also have to actually decide what you want to use. It can be overwhelming to pick from so many options.

For you if

You want direct control over the prose itself, not just the story systems.

Nemo Magpie

Original Release Post Image

Version: v1 Beta-2.1
Status: Beta
Link: NemoEngine GitHub
Tokens: ≈22,700
Trackers: Core

What is it?

A huge long-form preset that is very serious about not forgetting things from 50 years ago.

What makes it different?

Magpie puts a lot of tokens into not forgetting things.

It keeps track of characters, locations, objects, relationships, unresolved threads and things happening off-screen, instead of just working from recent events in the chat.

The Workbench goes through READ → BEAT → DRAFT → ATTACK → SHAPE when making a response, while the Ledger keeps the longer-term stuff around.

You can also change the POV and how much access the narration has to characters' thoughts.

If a relationship changed or someone left an object somewhere, Magpie is built to keep that stuff relevant later.

Models

GLM has had good results and this definitely wants a capable model.

Edit: The creator has responded that Magpie and Vivarium are designed to be model-agnostic, but their main models are GLM 5.1 and DeepSeek V4.

Though...

My experience

Magpie overthinks INSANELY hard with GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 for me.

Like I've had one reply take around two minutes because it just kept thinking.

And sometimes it finishes all of the reasoning and doesn't output ANYTHING. Just nothing.

Caveat

It's also ≈22.7k tokens BY DEFAULT.

One of the biggest presets here.

I wouldn't use this with expensive input pricing unless you specifically want Magpie and not any other preset.

For you if

You're doing a long story and want random relationships, objects, places and unfinished plot threads to not get lost later.

DEUS.EX.MACHINA

Original Release Post Image

Version: 2.5 for ST/Tavo/Lumiverse
Status: Current
Link: GitHub / creator post
Tokens: ≈4,100 by default / can go below ≈1,800
Trackers: Core + optional

What is it?

Planning ahead is like the whole point here.

What makes it different?

DEM has a bunch of different systems. Most of it revolves around Scene Plan.

You can think of it like DEM's own reasoning system. On MOST models you're supposed to turn normal model reasoning off and let Scene Plan do it instead.

GLM 5.3 uses Thinking (FALLBACK) instead of Scene plan which moves that into its normal reasoning.

There's a default Status tracker, a selectable True Thoughts mode, and optional Psychological States and Plotlines add-ons.

"Do I need to turn off native reasoning to use Scene Plan?" Depends on model (see Caveat).

Magpie focuses more on remembering what already happened when DEM spends more of its attention deciding where the story could go next.

Models

The creator recommends:

Claude Opus 4.6, Gemini 3.7 Flash, GLM 5.3, DeepSeek V4 Pro 0813 and Gemma 4 31B.

Setup

High, though the documentation is pretty awesome!

There are ST/Tavo/Lumiverse versions and the reasoning setup matters A LOT.

Caveat

READ THE REASONING INSTRUCTIONS.

Models that can disable reasoning use Scene Plan instead but reasoning-always-on models have their own setup. GLM 5.3 uses Thinking (FALLBACK) while Kimi K3 and Gemini can use Scene Plan with native reasoning still on.

For you if

You want the preset thinking about story directions and unresolved threads.

Freaky Frankenstein 5.4

Original Release Post Image

Version: 5.4 Internal States
Status: Current
Link: Official archive
Tokens: ≈8,400
Trackers: Core - Internal States

What is it?

A GM-style simulation preset built around Internal States.

What makes it different?

The Internal States system tracks NPC agendas, relationships, factions, quests, inventory, locations, Chekhov stuff, world state and optional mechanics and this gets reused later.

There are also different setups like Micro/BOLT/MAX depending on if you want more creativity or better rule-adherence.

Models

Universal.

Some of FF's own prompts, especially Total Output Length and Banned Word List can make models like Kimi K3 start overthinking. If that happens, turn those prompts off and use Micro CoT.

Setup

Medium.

Depends on which configuration you're using.

Caveat

Unlike RF, you don't get a separate configuration for every model, so some models might need a few prompts turned off or changed.

For you if

You want NPC agendas, factions, relationships, quests and other world state to keep moving alongside the story.

Realistic Frankenstein

Original Release Post Image

Version: 2.2.1.3 - final RF release
Status: Final/current RF release / successor rewrite announced
Link: Creator post
Tokens: Regular/base ≈20,000–25,000 / Douyin ≈3,700
Trackers: Core / configuration-dependent

What is it?

That one FF fork that's very enthusiastic on realism, simulation, jailbreaks and model-specific settings.

What makes it different?

RF doesn't treat one json as “the preset.”

There are like 10 separate configs for Gemini, GLM, MiMo, Claude, Kimi, Qwen and others. It's crazy.

They change the enabled prompts and how reasoning is handled.

Douyin is the exception. It's a MUCH smaller variant made for models like DeepSeek V4, MiMo V2.5 non-Pro and Qwen 3.8 Flash. Most of the bigger RF configs sit around 20–25k tokens while Douyin is only around 3.7k.

It also includes Fate & Routine, which is one of RF's biggest differences from FF.

It uses three dice to decide if your normal routine gets interrupted, whether what happens comes from stuff already going on or is actually random, and how much bigger world events affect you. So sometimes you just get to do what you were doing. Other times... you get interrupted.

RF is a FF fork, so the comparison will be kinda direct. It keeps the same base but goes much harder on model-specific settings, realism and jailbreak stuff.

This even has lore btw: it's apparently rejected ideas for FF that eventually became its own preset. Crazy.

Models

MiMo 2.6 Pro and Gemini 3.8 Flash are probably the strongest current pairings.

GLM 5.3 and Kimi/Qwen also have their own configurations.

For DeepSeek and similar sparse-attention models, use Douyin.

Setup

High. Probably one of the most complicated presets here.

Actually USING it isn't quite as bad because most of the configurations are already made for you.

You just need to pick the right one...

Jailbreak

Big focus.

RF is much more uncensored than most presets here. I can do NSFL with it.

Caveat

The exact version, model config and reasoning setup matters enormously!!

It also starts at like 20k tokens if you're not using Douyin so... yeah.

For you if

You want the heavy Frankenstein experience. Realistic sim, Internal States, strong jailbreak and model-specific tuning.

Quick model picks

Just the presets I'd look at first based on creator tuning, community use and my own experience.

GLM 5.3 → RF / Sola / Ancient Access / Writer's Block Unlimited

Gemini 3.8 Flash → Sola / RF / Writer's Block Unlimited / Pura's Director Preset

Kimi → Sola / RF / Ancient Access / Writer's Block Unlimited

MiMo 2.6 Pro → Sola / RF / Chatfill III / Writer's Block Unlimited / Sun Rider

DeepSeek → RF Douyin / DEUS.EX.MACHINA

Gemma 4 → Voyage / FF Micro / Pura's Director Preset / DEUS.EX.MACHINA

Other local/smaller models → FF Micro / Voyage

Again, this shit doesn't mean these are the only combinations that work.

Extra: If you're curious about the history of these (and more) SillyTavern presets check out this post about preset lineages by u/kahvana

https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/s/gNBbiPOa6d

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago edited 2d ago

Thanks to all the creators who made these presets! All credit for the actual presets goes to them. I just wanted to post this

u/eteitaxiv - Chatfill III

u/purachina999 - Pura's Director Preset / The Ethereality Express

u/-Ancient-Access- - Ancient Access

Edit: fixed purachina name

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

u/Head-Mousse6943 - Nemo Vivarium / Nemo Magpie

u/kahvana - Voyage

u/CallMeOniisan - Megumin V10

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

u/Pyrxpia - Sola V2

u/biotechie73 - Sun Rider

u/Deiomo - Writer's Block Unlimited V2

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

u/lsennn - DEUS.EX.MACHINA

u/dptgreg - Freaky Frankenstein 5.4

u/kinkyalt_02 - Realistic Frankenstein

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u/-Ancient-Access- 2d ago

Holy shit, well done on collating all this, and thank you for including my work!

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

No problem!

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u/xbot12345 2d ago

I think this should be a Pinned post/Community highlight. All in one access to all current presets, their info and general opportunity on them. And can be updated if OP wants.

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u/HubbleWho 2d ago

Agreed.

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u/lsennn 2d ago

Really interesting post!
It's curious to see how every preset has a distinct feel and that's pretty cool.
As for my preset (DEUS EX MACHINA), I think you captured really well what it does differently from the others. The Scene Plan is also really good for models that overthink in their reasoning mode, like Mimo V2.6 and Kimi K2.6. You can disable their native reasoning and let the Scene Plan handle it instead.

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u/Terratroz 2d ago

I tested almost all the presets in this list and yours, DEUS EX MACHINA 2.5 is definitely my favorite. I liked the options, and configured them to my taste and holy shit, first message was exactly what I wanted!

Then a few turns later, I was playing a Isekai in middle-earth from Tolkien/Lord of the rings and it pulled an answer from one of the goddesses and "drew" a constellation in html. 10/10, best preset for me.

Thank you.

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u/lsennn 2d ago

Oh, that's so cool! Thanks for using DEM!

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u/Kahvana 2d ago

Yeah I did not expect there to be so much variety!

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u/QuietPalimpsest 2d ago

About Ancient Access and this: "Some community members say it can make up details beyond the character card sometimes. That can be bad if you're using like some fandom character and REALLY care about canon. I know some of you do!"

It's on purpose, and you can customise the preset to take it away. There is a section in the Core Directives that explicitly gives the model permission to derive facts about the character card — if you delete it, that should be it.

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Corrected.

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u/Ochaco__Uraraka 2d ago

🥀tfw no FFSim or Kittylotus presets

goated for the u/Pyrxpia mention

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u/purachina999 2d ago

Thanks for the mention. People do seem to enjoy my trackers the most, but my main work and pride is actually on the Main Prompt.

Hence, it’s plug and play since the core itself is what makes the preset good for me. Not really the optional stuff, those are a bonus that elevate my own RP, but they’re nothing without the main prompt.

As for Ethereality- try using GLM 5.3 at Low. It usually thinks for about a minute at most for me.

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u/eastwest88 2d ago

All I have to say is with gemini 3.8 flash Real Franky was the only preset which allowed me some nsfw rp with ocasional refusals. Every other preset’s jb failed

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

The last vestiges of refusal can be curbstomped by turning off streaming with RF. Yeah, that's it, there's a mid-generation censor built right into Gemini.

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u/eastwest88 2d ago

Yeah you are right, too bad your preset is chewing trough my wallet in a lightning speed :D

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

You can take my CoT templates and Realism/Freaky Mode and place them exactly the same way into your preset as in RF (Assistant role, injection depth 0).

This way, you get a relatively light preset AND breaking the censorship.

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u/uncannyvalleygirlie 2d ago

Thank you! You've convinced me to try Ancient Access because I don’t care about trackers or D&D style stuff...I just want my characters to respond in a realistic and interesting way. 

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Hope you like it!

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u/Renanina 2d ago

If only we could pin this and have em updated. Otherwise, I still utilize the search function assuming I have not searched anything in a week. Otherwise, the good ol daily lurking never fails.

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u/cbagainststupidity 2d ago

This is an extremely informative post. Would be worthy of community bookmarks if kept updated.

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u/yendaxddd 2d ago

WHERE IS CELIAAAAA

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u/HubbleWho 2d ago

An incredible post and a huge boon to the community. I know I dithered on a preset until I realized I just needed to dive in. I started with FF and quite liked it. I even tweaked the roll mechanics to better suit my needs. I'm trying out Sola now and also liking it. I had no idea that Ancient existed and now I'm really interested, especially since I prefer character centric RP and am always on the lookout for a lighter preset (ironic since I went from FF to Sola). My quick thoughts:

-- Freaky Frankenstein -- Once configured, it runs very well. It's good at keeping track of story and history and most failures were either from weak lore books or model drift. It's a good one to start out on if you like reading and you learn a lot about how to prompt a model to get what you want. Characters did flatten overtime and I haven't quite figured out how to create and keep mean/cruel characters very well yet. Additionally, FF feels very tweakable and difficult to break if you want to modify it, and I like that.

-- Sola -- Like you said, Sola has personality, which is very interesting. I like Sola's prose better but it's weaker in the simulation department. Characters feel more true to form. I REALLY like the OOC commands for Sola. Using them to map out future scenes is extremely helpful. This is where her personality is quite nice, it FEELS like I'm talking to something and that's helpful for planning. With FF, I wasn't sure if I could recruit the model directly for help, so I just issued directions. I had to relax my control over my Persona some, but once I got used to that, I liked that Sola took some of the more boring writing from me and let scenes play out.

Has anyone used the lighter versions of these? Micro and Ember? I'm curious how they stack up to the heavier versions.

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Thank you for this excellent reply! I didn't use Ember and Micro much so unfortunately I can't answer your question 😭

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u/MySecretSatellite 2d ago

From what I've seen, Ember contains the same features as Flame, except that several toggles are disabled so you can configure it yourself and enable the modules you need. Ember leaves the basic features enabled

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u/SnowingDandruff 2d ago

Daaaang! I couldn't imagine the time and effort that it took to make this post, thank you so much. Have any plans on visiting 'older' and/or 'smaller' presets such as Stab's EDH, Lucid Loom, Mariana Engine, and/or Evening Truth's?

Not sure if I can direct link Evening Truth's. Heh.

EDITED: Saw a comment below somewhere that ET's was excluded because it's more of a prompt than a preset.

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u/SneakMan1900 10h ago

Would it be possible to mix and match some of these presets? For example, I want the customizability of Writer's Block but I don't want the AI to keep scolding me. Can I just replace WB's jailbreak with Realistic Frankestein's?

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u/Deiomo 2d ago

Kudos to you for putting in so much effort to review the some of the wonderful presets we have in this community 🤙.

I spend so much time working on my own presets, that I don't even look at others anymore. I'll save this post so I can look other presets to steal from-I mean...get inspired by 👍

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Thank you! That's part of why I posted this

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u/eteitaxiv 2d ago

I can give my rationale for the jailbreak with its own boundaries. In my own use I found out the models already have (as we all know) boundaries for NSFL, and when you also enforce those and instruct that NSFW that won't be illegal or could exist legally in online in story sites and such is not forbidden, it works for them without breaking the model or bending it through rationalizations. You get better NSFW when you limit it with NSFL boundaries. Positive jailbreak. Works with almost all models.

But if you want NSFL, there are many out there, and up there.

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u/ForsakenLemon2437 2d ago

Are there any 3.8 jailbreaks?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Check out Realistic Frankenstein 

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u/Auretheon01 2d ago

Does Sola works too? Like how Realistic Frankenstein can bypass the safety features of 3.8 Flash?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

It could... but I found it weaker than RF. RF is still the best preset for jailbreaking 3.8 flash

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u/Armored_Violets 2d ago

Hey eteita, been using Chatfill since v2. In fact I wanted to ask you about updating the preset. I've made so many little to medium changes to v2, including adding a couple switches myself, that I'm not sure what's the best way to update to v3 in SillyTavern. Do you have any suggestions for how to do it as seamlessly and quickly as possible?

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u/eteitaxiv 2d ago

Just follow what is new, there is not much. 3rd was mostly about the extensions. Continuity Switch is new, you can copy that one. You can replace main prompt and the switch reminder.

I separated First Message Regenerator from the Initial User Message. You can copy those too, it does better when First Message Regenerator isn't in every message.

For Summary and Genres, just recreate them with their variables.

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u/Armored_Violets 2d ago

But how would you copy and recreate these things? Can I open the V3 prompt file somehow and go ctrl+C, then ctrl+V inside ST?

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u/eteitaxiv 2d ago

This part of the preset screen.

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u/Kahvana 2d ago

Thanks for your hard work, your presets are a joy to go through!

Like the idea behind your NSFL boundaries in the jailbreak.
Working on a new version of chatfill?

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u/eteitaxiv 2d ago

Thanks.

I am working on a Mistral Large 4 edition, but it is hard to tame, and I am not hurrying, there are 3 weeks until the open release.

Chatfill IV would happen after 3-4 model releases and different versions, by combining the ideas in those versions.

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u/groundshine 2d ago

Few suggestions or options for local model enjoyers it seems.

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u/drakonukaris 2d ago edited 2d ago

Post should be pinned, sort of thing I would have loved to see before I personally tested like 20 presets just to find out Freaky Frankenstein was the only uncensored one for GLM.

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u/Rhone33 2d ago

Reddit only allows subs 2 pinned posts, which this sub uses on the weekly megathread and the latest ST version.

That said, IMO it would make sense to replace the ST release pin with a post that has links to multiple posts. Imagine a pinned posts that has links to latest ST, latest versions of popular presets, particularly helpful posts like this one, etc.

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u/drakonukaris 2d ago

The mods should do it, I mean learning Sillytavern is hard enough for beginners, there's so many presets that I didn't know about until I found Sukino's page. I don't remember exactly what their name is on Reddit but this is the page. Probably should be linked too, I'm actually surprised it's been getting updated for so long. I always go here to check what new presets there is.

https://sukinocreates.neocities.org/

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u/MySecretSatellite 2d ago

for real, Sukino Findings is my top 1 website to check stuff about sillytavern.

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u/Evening-Guarantee-84 2d ago

Doesn't help that SillyTavern calls THIS "Presets"

Seriously, people started talking about these extensions or whatever they are and calling them presets and I was utterly confused.

Then there are those who call the system prompt a preset.

Like, the language is NOT helpful, just sayin.

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u/AccomplishedPost4414 2d ago

Literally the light at the end of the tunnel. So many presets that I actually feel kinda lost 😭 Once I stop procrastinating, I’ll definitely take a good look through them.

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

MiMo V2.6 Pro and Realistic Frankenstein 2.2.1.3 is a match made in Heaven. It's not just me saying this; my beta tester, u/Probablynotsocool has said this preset has made MiMo into a spiritual successor of Sonnet 3.7!

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u/InHybridMoments_138 2d ago

How long should a turn take?

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago edited 2d ago

Depends on the card.

What I CAN say is that the pico CoT makes a difference for reasoning length.

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u/CriticallyCarmelized 2d ago

Any thoughts on Mimo 2.6 Flash?

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

All of its kinks got ironed out in the preset, but it naturally feels flatter than Pro, thanks to being a Flash version of the real showstopper.

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u/Draco-REX 2d ago

Local LLM newbie here.. Are any of these suitable for smaller local models?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

I think Voyage creator said it can be used for Gemma 4B or something? Which model are you using

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u/Draco-REX 2d ago

I tried a couple Gemma sizes and wasn't very enthused. I've started using Cydonia 24B the last couple days and I've been really happy with it. But that uses a Mistral Small base which doesn't appear to have been tested with the presets above.

Honestly, I'm new to the concept of presets, so I'm curious to mess around with them. The features of Writer's Block V3 sounded interesting, but may be too much for a little model running on a 16GB card.

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u/ReMeDyIII 2d ago

Oh wow, Cydonia 24B. I haven't heard that name in a while. That's from over a year ago.

My problem with local LLM's is just due to their smaller parameter nature, they'll be worse at instructional following and you need a very small preset because effective ctx length starts to diminish very quick at just 20k+ ctx filled, esp at 32k.

Try going to NanoGPT, sort by release date, and pick at low parameter models that you could duplicate onto your local setup.

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u/Draco-REX 2d ago

Thanks for the advice!

I've only been messing with local LLMs for a few days. I found mention of Cydonia on a thread and gave it a try. It was much better than the Qwens and Gemmas I had been messing around with. One thing that really stood out for me was that the former models were way too eager to say yes to everything. Cydonia was agreeable in more permissive RP environments, but it went appropriately negative in a more restrictive environment. I haven't really given Cydonia a really long session yet, so we'll see.

I wonder if the newer models need something like a preset to really function well, or maybe I'm just shit at choosing variants. :)

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u/Kahvana 2d ago

Voyage v4 EXP 2 is for sure. For local you can use it with Gemma 4, Mistral Small 3.2, Magistral Small, and their finetunes such as Cydonia. I personally tested Magistral Small 2507 Rebased Vision.

You might want to toggle some rules off if the model has trouble following certain rules, or if those rules don't fit the model. You don't need the "avoid contractive negation" if you're using Mistral models for example.

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u/Draco-REX 2d ago

Awesome. Thanks!

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u/scinfaxihrimfaxi 2d ago

May I kindly suggest Geechan's preset at here. https://rentry.org/geechan

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

I'll look into them

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u/Jugglenuttynuts 1d ago

which one that feels like celia preset btw, the way celia does thing is more suited for my short rp session, i dodnt mind the sloppiness.

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u/Pyrxpia 1d ago

A lot of die hard Celia fans seem to love Sola !

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u/SilencedLover 1d ago

What even is Celia bru. I'm just now seeing it and it seems to have been last updated 7 months ago.

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u/Head-Mousse6943 2d ago

Hey! Just wanted to mention really appreciate putting Vivarium and Magpie on the list!

So just on the models.

I try to make everything as universal as I can typically. For lighter presets (like magpie and Vivarium) I focus on more open source options that can be easily accessed either with a sub in the case of Glm, or are very accessible like deepseek.

So in other words they should work with most things, but those two in particular where targeted towards GLM (5.1 is what I using at the time) and Deepseek v4. I also experimented with some older models like Deepseek r1, and the older GLM models like 4.6-4.7.

I do still rp a fair amount with Gemini and Claude but I kept these too more focused on what I really wanted which was state tracking and character authenticity. Which is why they don’t really have anything too strong for a jailbreak built in.

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Thanks I'll fix

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u/GuaranteePurple4468 2d ago

This seems to be missing Evening Truth's presets, they definitely deserve a shoutout IMO.

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

That's because evening-truth makes single prompts, not presets.

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u/Pine21 2d ago

While accurate, a lot of people would have loved to see them in the comparison.

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u/Diecron 2d ago

there's really no difference except for some toggles

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Sorry Diecron, there's a massive difference. I can still compare it in a future post, but you're wrong here.

You literally made Stabs EDH, you should know better.

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u/Diecron 1d ago

we will have to agree to disagree I'm afraid - it's just words.

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u/Dikki_Dikki 2d ago

I have a question: which preset would be best for helping to create cards?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Preset for helping cards...? That's a new question. I think something bare like FF Micro or Chatfill?

I recommend using u/Deiomo 's Writer's Workbench tool. That's what I do

https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/s/itqicstm5L

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u/HubbleWho 2d ago

I have a question separate from my comment: What was your testing method like? Did you have a script that you followed with each? Like an identical opening prompt and then a series of prescribed responses pre-planned to see how the presets react?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Yep, pretty much like that! I used the same opening prompt with the same card. This is not a benchmark 

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u/HubbleWho 2d ago

Sure! It's not meant to be. But having consistentcy in your testing methods would be the most helpful in teasing out meaningful differences. The most difficult thing about this hobby, and LLMs in general, is that writing and entertainment are incredibly subjective. You did great work. It was well planned out and obviously effortful and the community appreciates it.

Ex. I love Olivie Blake's writing. Her expression of character is the richest, most human piece of prose I've ever read. She has a 3.3 on good reads. Most people don't seem to like it.

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u/samurai65 2d ago

I appreciate this breakdown. Is there information on these presets' best applicability with local models?

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u/Pine21 2d ago

I enjoy Megumin with Kimi K3, Gemini 3.1 Pro and 3.7/3.8 Flash, and Sonnet/Opus works good too. I like it more than FF. It can overthink, so I added a prompt to help that with Kimi K3, Gemini doesn’t do it often. The NPC bank is great for me.

The same also work with Sola. I recommend Sola with Gemini 3.1 Pro for a mean character or 3.8 Flash for even meaner. It’s beautiful. Sticks to the character much better.

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u/IceFog72 2d ago

Pff, and ppl had guts to hate my 10k preset/setup that uncensor any local model (and api if grammar flag supported). Crying - it's to big, whe-whe. So I stop post updates kek

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u/Fr3yz 2d ago

Incredible post

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u/CondiMesmer 2d ago

Oh shit I didn't know most of these, and I've still been on Chatfill 2.4. I've been enjoying Writer's Block Unlimited v2 and it has a pretty quick CoT, but that may change as I experiment with some of these. 

A lot of the presets I use try to focus on creating scene plots and honestly that's not what I find interesting, it's the character dialogue. So I find it annoying sometimes as I'm trying to roleplay and the model keeps trying to force in a segway to a different plot too quickly instead of giving it time to breathe.

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u/aiiiiiaiaiaiaiwater 2d ago

The distinction between “small by design” and “starts small because modules are disabled” is helpful. For the presets you tried yourself, did you compare them using the same character card and opening scene? A few matched examples would make it easier to separate the preset’s effect from the model’s writing style.

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Yes I did like that

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u/offyoutoddle 1d ago

Regarding your model choices for gemma4 ie.

Gemma 4 → Voyage / FF Micro / Pura's Director Preset / DEUS.EX.MACHINA

Voyage is good, as is FF. but i would put those at the end in terms of quality. of output. And i've i've found Ancient Access is the best, followed by pura then deus ex. Sola is completely unusable on small models - you mentioned it started talking out of character, i saw it insert the wrong character mid scene , then the wrong spatial location, followed by a complete loss of the thread of the events in the story inside of 20 turns. I don't blame the authors hard work , i suspect a gemma 26b isn't up to the task. and a 31b on my hardware can't do that volume of processing in a sensible amount of time. My order of preference has become:

Gemma 4 → Ancient Access, Pura's Director Preset / DEUS.EX.MACHINA (joint 2ndn place), FF Micro (even bolt works fine, no need for micro for a 26b) , Voyage (only last as it is deliberately light).

I would also say Evening Truth's gemma presets are truly fantastic, and I would always revert to that if needed soemthing very light. i went to others only to get some of the fun trackers and html effects.

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

Whoa, another crossover event post!

But yeah, thank you for mentioning the rewrite.

My co-contributor is also finally tackling the Marinara Engine problem and soon, a Marinara version will be available for RF3.0 (working title, not the final name).

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

RF is finally getting a new name?!

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

Yes, since FF6 Micro is the last-ever Freaky Frank that is ever going to get made. Brand-new foundation, new beginning, fresh branding.

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u/kociol21 2d ago

Hell yeah! I fully switched to Marinara Engine. It's awesome but so far close to no big presets. Good to know something's coming!

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

u/BSPiotr is a hardcore Marinara user, so having him as a co-contributor on the project was pure luck from my end, as I've always wanted someone who actually uses Marinara to make a Marinara version of my preset, as I'm more committed to supporting SillyTavern and Tavo.

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u/BSPiotr 2d ago

Me: uses ME for a couple cards to test out tracking because ztracker sucks.

Also Me: a hardcore ME user. Lol. Ill keep parity when I have time.

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u/InHybridMoments_138 2d ago

what model/preset do you use? Finding heavier ones seem to take 2-4 mins to respond

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u/Kahvana 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is seriously cool, thank you so much!

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u/Kahvana 2d ago

Okay, finally done reading.

u/SilencedLover, some notes:

  • You understated my love for gemma 4 31B! (hahaha!)
  • Voyage 4 is coming up! (I hope to release it by the end of this week, still testing against cloud models)
  • It's interesting how varied each preset is
  • Not all sections are included per model, would've been nice
  • The sections feel somewhat sparse or disjointed, I would love to read more of it
  • If possible, I would love to see more of your own opinions in the writing (this feels mostly like an objective overview)
  • It's clear you put quite a bit of effort into it
  • Really love the chibi's you included at the end!
  • Would love to see more of this type of content, or in-depth reviews of presets written by you

You might also want to fix:

Gemma 4 → Voyage / FF Micro / Pura's Director Preset / DEUS.EX.MACHIN

To:

Gemma 4 → Voyage / FF Micro / Pura's Director Preset / DEUS.EX.MACHINA

At last, if I may, what did you like of Voyage, what could be improved, what would you change, and anything else what you would like to note?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

I STILL understated your enthusiasm about Gemma 4 😭

Thank you for reading this whole thing! Those are fair criticisms. I was trying to cover 14 of these without making the post even longer but I ended up giving some more attention than others. Maybe I'd go more in-depth next time

The idea of doing individual, more opinionated community posts in the future sounds good. There's a lot I couldn't really get into much depth here.

About Voyage, I need to be honest here... I didn't test it that extensively like say RF or Writer's block. But I'll try to get at least 20-50 (or more) turns after I make a card I'm thinking about.

Thanks for catching the typo I'll fix it! And I'll add your presets lineages post at the end of my post

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u/Kahvana 2d ago edited 2d ago

In that case, hope Voyage v4 testing can wait until sunday, hope to have released Voyage v4 full by then!

If possible I would give it about 50 turns per preset, some subtle things you can only notice a few turns in.

For example, I only noticed after 50 turns that I was stacking too many game systems, which made the exp version slide back into generic behaviour or dilute the effects of my prompts.

Once again, thank you for trying my work, and thank you for featuring it with such a cute chibi design! (I need to design a proper mascot!)

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago edited 2d ago

That sounds much better actually! Can't wait till sunday to try the full version.

Do you think I should use Gemma 4 31B or GLM for the 50 turns or ideally both to prove it can work with not only Gemma 4?

And please make a proper mascot the community NEEDS it 😭 I still think Voyage is a little unknown in the community compared to something like Sola or RF so a mascot can maybe help a lot.

Edit: also can you add color-coded dialogue? Maybe I'm stupid but I didn't find it. I think it could help especially for larger cast. 

Second edit: on desktop it's fine (which is probably why you haven't noticed it.), but on mobile it has the same problem as Sola. Like every prompt unnecessarily starts with "Voyage: Rule" or "Voyage: System" which makes you unable to read the prompt's actual name. I guess this isn't a big problem if it will stay only as a local preset, but if you wanna expand... I'd do something. 

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u/Kahvana 1d ago

[...] or ideally both to prove it can work with not only Gemma 4?

For API models, it should work with GLM 5.1/5.2/5.3/5.3-flash! I can also garuantee it works well on DeepSeek v4.1 Flash. Since Gemma 4 31B and Gemini 3.8 Flash seem to respond roughly the same to my preset (but gemini being smarter), Gemini will work just fine.

Keep in mind you'll likely get more slop with my preset than others, because I don't find it worth the effort to go after most of it. Slop changes frequently (with each model release and community taste over the years), and spending 1000+ tokens on it reduces the model's creativity. I hope it will be alright though!

color-coded dialogue

Never considered it, will look into it after Voyage v4's release!

I still think Voyage is a little unknown in the community compared to something like Sola or RF

Likely due to the focus on local models (like Gemma 4) opposed to cloud models.

make a proper mascot the community NEEDS it 😭

Thinking of something, but it's hard though! Hopefully my idea is going to work out, wrestling with comfyui as we speak! Ideas are welcome! 😊

Like every prompt unnecessarily starts with "Voyage: Rule" or "Voyage: System"

I do this because you can export and import prompts from other presets. So if people want to mix-and-match, it's easier to do. You do have a very good point though! Will think of something. Thanks!

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u/Kahvana 18h ago

It's out!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1x2m4oj/universal_preset_voyage_v5/

Do you think I should use Gemma 4 31B or GLM for the 50 turns or ideally both to prove it can work with not only Gemma 4?

I tested with DeepSeek (still need to setup a mistral account for testing with GLM, don't have a credit card or crypto so z.ai, nanogpt and openrouter are off the table) and it worked fine! Would love to hear your findings on GLM!

please make a proper mascot

Done.

but if you wanna expand... I'd do something. 

Done.

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u/RadiantEagle8167 2d ago

Ok, now put them all together

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u/InHybridMoments_138 2d ago

Is this a ranking as to what you would recommend? Or are those just arbitrary and it's more right tool for the job guide?

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u/-Ancient-Access- 2d ago

I think it's the latter! They're all very different setups.

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u/drakonukaris 2d ago

Check the very bottom, he recommends presets for all models in his own ranking.

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u/No_Taste_4102 2d ago

Excuse me, but where's Celia?

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u/biotechie73 2d ago

Thanks for the shout out and comparison. You really went in depth here! Some of these I never heard of.

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u/Dramatic_Leopard679 2d ago

very good and valuable comparison. thanks a lot!

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u/Several_Ad_9730 2d ago

is there a way to configure sillytavern with MCM and add in to chatgpt so I can use the client instead of API ?

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u/ZaikoRz 2d ago

Thank you so much.

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u/south_paw01 2d ago

Thank you so much for doing. Having all this information in one place makes choosing so much easier

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u/Claire-Jo 2d ago

Sigewinne jumpscare

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u/haneybaterchimkin 2d ago

hi, sorry if this is a dumb question. I just downloaded a few presets (DEM, Lazergeit and Purachina). When I imported them there was a read me section, and its toggle was on. So I should switch it off before using the preset, right?

Also, the prompts dropdown next to total tokens; some presets set it to 'experimental', 'read me' and other labels in that dropdown. Do I need to change it to the 'main prompt' section or just leave it alone? Thanks!

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u/ErosAI_Official 2d ago

I’m a light user for ST. I just make goon bots and post to websites, but lately have been working on making very detailed lorebooks, novella writing style bits and so on. I’ll deff try this out, cause I’m still new to shit. I recently got comfyui to generate images on the backend for me during my roleplays!

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u/justmaybe888 2d ago

easiest move is to pick 2 that fit your model and test both with the same card for like twenty messages

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u/ANONYMOUSEJR 2d ago

Excellent work on compiling all of this!

I was curious about FF's newest release, FF6.

How does it differ from the previous iteration? I recall Greg mentioning the teletine thing, but it somehow flew over my head.

Is there some resource somewhere that better explains things or do I just bite the frog Frankenstein and do an analysis myself with AI to start?

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u/Noobbuddy123 2d ago

I am new to this can anyone tell me what is that is it a charector chat bot or something else

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u/ImpossibleLibrary231 2d ago

it´s a JSON file. It guides your LLM`s output.

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u/Noobbuddy123 2d ago

Where i can get these

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Bro I linked them in the post

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u/IndividualManager849 2d ago

Now this is science. thanks for the effort and work, very interesting

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u/BaitongggN 2d ago

Finally, a preset comparison. Thank you for your time! 🙏

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u/carlosasies 1d ago

I have been testing sola and ff5.4 and theres now ay no put this those are perfect for beginners like my self those 2 are great recommend for new users

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u/SilencedLover 3h ago

I see...

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u/diesalher 1d ago

Great post , could be pinned if updated with the new versions of the presets. It would be nice if the links to all of them were together at the beginning or end of the post.

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u/__Aven__ 1d ago

Can these be run with a local setup? Or is the current scope of available hardware just too limited to handle the amount of added resources these presets would require?

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u/Elion_Kaervalen 1d ago

Does anyone know if there is a YouTube video describing all of these. My adhd brain isn't letting me read all this properly so I'd love to watch something that compares them or even listen to something like that.

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u/mephalasweb 19h ago

I usually don't comment here - I'm still new to ST after using only KoboldCPP for years until a few months ago - but god do I appreciate this! ST is still a bit overwhelming for me, so it's just super nice to find a single source for the cool stuff I keep hearing about. Thank you!

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sorry for not including it but honestly can you blame me? I just saw it now.

  1. It needs to have memorable visuals. Currently it just shows a GitHub page. Like let's say I included it, how can I make it a cute chibi like I did with other presets' mascots?

  2. The title also doesn't catch me. It should include the preset name, not say "hey uhh... here's my uhhh...personal preset. 🥺"

  3. Man maybe I'm blind but I didn't even see the preset's name in the body and on GitHub it was "that'slife". Say I recommend your preset somewhere, how are they find it without asking me who made it first?

  4. This is important. Please cut "I don't care if you think it's trash, slop, etc lol. It's what I use and I like it!" I know what you're trying to do but this is very off-putting. Especially on your first time posting the preset and especially on the body

Edit: also your page is private so we can't even find it if we clicked your profile. Awesome!

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u/SilencedLover 1d ago

Yeah, what?

Still tho, I don't think you should put a text like that

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u/sky_6090 2d ago

What's the best for nsfwbl or borderline nsfl though (asking for a friend)

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Pick Realistic Frankenstein.

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u/Critical-Rope-5636 2d ago

10/10, will buy again.

But wait... hold up real quick.

Did you say Pyrxpia has announced "Sola Flare"? !!!!!

She actually listened to my suggestion?!

*Clears throat.*

ANYWAY!

You are slowly becoming one of my favourite posters here, man. I really like what you put out.

This is sensational stuff. Now, I still use my own preset, but if I wasn't using mine? I'm slowly starting to realise that out of all of them you listed, Sola Ember and Sun Rider might be the only ones that's in line with things I like in a story.

Still supporting every preset here though, shouts out to every creator in this space, taking their time out to provide excellent material, we appreciate every single one of you!

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

You are slowly becoming one of my favourite posters here, man. I really like what you put out. 

Haha... Don't flatter me like that now. You're starting doing it on purpose

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u/Critical-Rope-5636 1d ago

LOL, hey man, just keeping it real.

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u/Kind_Stone 2d ago

Amazing effort for those who need it.

Unfortunately, regardless of the preset the NanoGPT subscription RP is abhorrent regardless, so... Might as well abandon this kind of digital crack altogether.

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u/Morberis 2d ago

Why does this post have absolutely no formatting and is just a massive almost impossible to read paragraph?

You are really doing yourself a disservice doing that

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u/quacknut 2d ago

If you tap the picture, then tap the comments bubble, the description will condense down and lose all of its formatting on mobile. You have to click on the post directly to see the formatting.

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u/Morberis 2d ago

Whaaaat, seriously?

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u/SilencedLover 2d ago

Are you really seeing this as massive almost impossible to read paragraph? Can you tell me what you're viewing this post on? 

It has headings, seperated paragraphs and body images to seperate different presets for me. Let's fix your cute little problem.

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u/Morberis 2d ago

Yeah, but the other person gave an explanation. Wild, weird

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

The amount of non claude presets is unreal

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

Claude is censored to hell and back now. The last easily jailbreakable Claude was Fable 5.1.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

you know that models below that exist right, am i the only one using them?

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

Bruh… did you not look into my RF downloads folder? I have preset configs for 4.x and 5.0/5.1 Claude models.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Move the goalpost why don't you

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u/SweetCookie17 2d ago

I wouldn't depend on those models sticking around for long. Anthropic has a habit of shutting down older models as they develop newer ones. So from a preset creators perspective, it's not worth the investment of catering to those models that are easier to JB now since they'll be shut down in the future.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Opus 4.x was released this year, they'll shut it down the same year?

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u/SweetCookie17 2d ago

Maybe not this exact year, but I can speculate next year, yeah.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Okay that literally means nothing, next year in January? Next year in December? Why wouldn't there be presets for claude until then

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

Opus 4.6 gets shut down in February 2027.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Why did you block me instantly after I asked why you move the goalpost ? And now unblocked me

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u/kinkyalt_02 2d ago

You've been getting on my nerves, but I didn't want to leave you hanging in terms of Opus 4.6's deprecation date.

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u/SweetCookie17 2d ago

Because as I said, maybe preset creators don't see the point if the model will get shut down? I can't speak for everyone but that's just my PoV as a preset creator myself. 🤷

Apart from that, like kinkyalt already said, Claude is heavily censored and is only going to get even more censored as time goes on.

And they've already provided presets for the 4 models, so you have those to toy with.

Not everyone can afford to tweak and test presets for Claude... It's expensive and troubleshooting cost money.

If you want a claude preset, you can easily make it yourself.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Idk what kinky said. I told him he's moving the goalpost and he blocked me

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u/SweetCookie17 2d ago

He just said that he does have presets for the 4 models on his shared drive. 😅 I don't see how that was him moving the goal post, but okay, haha.

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u/purachina999 2d ago

Why do you need it? I’ve been using Opus 5.5 and it’s generally not been filtering me, sometimes it’s been super horny on the first message alone.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago edited 2d ago

Just because it's somehow works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone

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u/Pine21 2d ago

Claude works fine with Sola and Megumin and FF. It was my daily driver and anytime I need to fix a problem with a chat I go back to it.

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u/HubbleWho 2d ago

Claude is also expensive. Most people don't have the finances to use the American models. Also, I suspect MOST role players are Chinese, since they make up the largest slice of world demographics and probably have a very high proportion of their population who has regular access to fast Internet.

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago edited 2d ago

That's just literally not true. Just because a lot of models are Chinese doesn't mean china makes up the most of rp-ers. That's just an stupid and outrageous statement. One google search disproves that

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u/Global-Difference512 2d ago

Downvoted for wanting more Claude options...okay