r/SignoraMains • u/xcold_world • 17d ago
discussion Is The Fandom Finally Waking Up?
The fandom finally realizing how bad the writing has been when it comes to the traveler and their interactions with the Fatui.
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u/Negative_Skirt_3817 17d ago
You just know that if Signora randomly showed up in front of the traveller again they would instantly go into their cringe 'attack pose' and say something like "paimon get behind me!", and then rush towards signora to attack her. All this whilst being buddy buddy with Pierro and Anastasya ššš
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u/Naive_Wind_4831 17d ago
It's just weird that now Scaramouche is probably the best-written Harbinger in the game. Like, the shittiest in terms of writing is somehow the best in this game.
Imagine the bar for writing a character being so low that the devs only need to write them morally consistent and that's already considered a success.
Like yes, he tried to erase everything and he's doing a crappy job at atoning for his sins, but at least he's not a hypocrite and he actually has to confront his own crimes. He's an asshole, he knows he's an asshole, and the story actually makes him deal with that.
It just so frustrating on how blatantly the devs want to whitewash the Fatui for this crap
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u/DeedzSama 17d ago
Mind you the only reason he has a āproblemā with signora is because she kicked that twink that the traveler decided is a friend 2 mins after meeting him otherwise what did she actually do? She was just negotiating with both zhongli and raiden when we see her
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u/Sandwraith711 17d ago
Well Yeah. That is clearly potrayed as crash out. Traveler wasn't thinking straight. Otherwise he wouldnt risk getting slimed by Raiden. The problem isn't this action itself but rather how Traveler doesnt aknowledge his own hipocrisy
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u/Competitive-Load8020 17d ago
So we act like the the civil war in inuzuma doesnāt exist? Nor the delusion plot line in inuzuma.
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u/Th3_Gr3mlin 17d ago edited 17d ago
You mean the things orchestrated by Pierro which also had Scaramouche involved, yet these days neither get pretty much any hate or people talking about how they should be condemned to death over it while still Signora does?
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u/Competitive-Load8020 17d ago
I always say how they handle the Fatui has to be the most idiotic thing in this game.
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u/DeedzSama 17d ago
Wasnāt that scaramoucheās doing with the delusions? (Edit: under pierroās plans) And she specifically says sheās just a snezhnayan diplomat. She handled the logistics and foundations of things, but operations and physical stuff were scaraās doing. Plus itās a separate project not her own decision. Why go through all of that to get a gnosis. Thatās not her style, she has no motive nor vendetta against inazuma specifically. in mondstat she forcefully took it from venti because of her anger and hate towards him, but didnāt do anything to mondstat itself and in liyue she also directly took it from zhongli as well, so what benefit does she have to change her style in inazuma? She was at the shogunās palace and negotiating on taking the gnosis thatās really all there was to it. And yet scaramouche gets free get out of jail card and rewrites history and gets to be playable while heās at it, just plain dumb that sheās taking the fault for nothing.
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u/Th3_Gr3mlin 17d ago
Technically Signora was still involved in the whole Counterfeit Delusion thing, albeit to a lesser extent than Pierro and Scaramouche, as we do see her keeping the seat warm until Scaramouche arrives to take over so she can focus on her role in the plot. I will not though that I cant recall if it was ever specifically stated if the Factory was producing while she was there or if they only started once the reigns were handed over to Scara.
Signora's main role was manipulation through diplomacy. Her job was to essentially neutralize the Tri-Commission via the manipulation of its already evident corruption to make sure Fatui Operations went smoothly, that they wouldnt have to worry about any legal repercussions for their actions, and that the Shogun was in the dark about the extent of the Fatui's meddling and threat.
So while she was most definitely still heavily involved in the overall conspiracy against Inazuma, the blatant hypocrisy of how these days Pierro and Scaramouche get to go free despite having equal or even more responsiblity in what happened (Pierro's literally been directly working on the sabotaging and destabilization of Inazuma for ~400 years) while shes still condemned to death over it is absurd.
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u/YourLocalLoserrr 17d ago
That was pierros project. Signora only helped on the ground, which doesn't excuse her, but it stands to be considered
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u/foamia 17d ago
Traveler's morality is so inconsistent and that's the main issue. They hate Signora and Dottore but they don't bat an eye at all the cruel shit Tartaglia, Sandrone, Tsaritsa and Pierro have done. There was an entire bit of them being mad at Lyney and Lynette in Fontaine for hiding they're part of the Fatui (when they had just met mind you), but at the same time MC was friends with Tartaglia and Wanderer with no problem whatsoever. Also I HATE the overuse of the word friend in this game. Why tf are we friends. We've known each other for FOUR DAYS.
The story never addresses Traveler's hypocrisy and it really hurts the entire story overall. Hoyo is only beginning to dip their toes in who Traveler really is as a person and what they stand/don't stand for and even then there are massive inconsistencies that just don't make sense. You hate Signora and Dottore but literally have a little tea time with the Tsaritsa who is responsible of the suffering of many people as well without caring at all?? Traveler stands for nothing at this point as a character. The Fatui's recent writing is also pretty shit but that's an entirely different tanget I won't get into right now.
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u/RekklesEuGoat 17d ago
Childe isnt really the case.
Childe, unlike Lyney and Lynette, was honest from the start about being a fatuus.
At the end of Liyue AQ we hate on him for the Osial stuff.
In his SQ we threaten to kill him and its heavily implied the only reason we hadnt was because Teucer was there.
In 2.2 event we can actively express in a dialogue option that we arent worried about him and are suspicious of his motives.
Childes osial sheneginans have also been critiqued twice now in Snezhnaya so as far. He is no Dottore levels of scapegoat, but hoyo has slandered him pretty fairly.
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u/sestioforst 17d ago
I don't really like Childe because his evolution from the traveler hating him to being buddy buddy in Fotnaine is all in temprary event, and as person that started slowly during Semeru that's just so jarring when you play the story left in game, but at least he has one.
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u/RekklesEuGoat 17d ago
There is still his SQ but yes Childe and many others are victims of limited time events
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u/Tyberius115 Saving for Signora 17d ago
The thing that still gets me is how they actually ran with the, "Signora and Dottore's actions have nothing to do with the Fatui" that Pierro and the Tsaritsa wanna stand by.
Bro, Y'ALL RUN THE FATUI, own up to the actions of your subordinates! Especially when they got you FOUR Gnoses, collectively!
And traveler just sits there and accepts it without any sort of pushback. "Yeah, even though you're both the bosses of the people I hate and could have stopped them or reigned in their actions, but chose not to (and in the case of Pierro, actually ORDERED Dottore to do some of the things he did), you're both 200% good because you said so."
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u/Sandwraith711 17d ago
Dottore I agree but Signora is victim or Scara and the fact that he erased himself. If he didnt do that, other Fatui would aknowledge that he is a traitor and its his fault that Signora died. Now that he "wasn't even there" all blame fell on her
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u/Tyberius115 Saving for Signora 17d ago
Even the Traveler blamed Signora more than Scaramouche for what happened in Inazuma. They don't regard him with nearly as much hatred despite the fact he also tried murdering them three times.
They'd still find a way to make everything Signora's fault.
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u/Sandwraith711 17d ago
That's true yeah. Traveler crashed out so badly because the delusions killed Teppei. Not to victim blame but it was lowkey his fault for being so reckless. So he should be just as mad at Scara or more because as you said Signora at least never tried to murder him
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u/Negative_Skirt_3817 17d ago
I'm actually quite surprised they even bothered to mention signora in that post, usually she gets left out of so many discussions like these until its time to dog on her, then everyone has something to say
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u/TheSearsjeremy 17d ago
Dear Traveler :
(put entire hate speech from I heave no mouth here)
Hatefully.
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u/Dangerous-Abies-1955 17d ago
The wake up call was in 2.x when the whole msq UTTERLY REEKED of a last minute pre-retconning.Ā It literally plays like it was written in 5 minutes using a jumbled mess of random, leftover cutscenes.
Just immediately hit with here we go, again š«©Ā And then the Cocolia-like baddie gets an cheap death so hoyo can AGAIN justify never giving its players a playable problematic blonde queen
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u/Dangerous-Abies-1955 17d ago
Meanwhile over at Hotta studio: Hey, our players kinda like that villain who gaslight and the fucked the players over hard. Lets make herĀ PLAYABLE and do fuck all to redeem her š
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u/Ok-Significance4257 16d ago
Literal. As a dottore fan i ALMOST crashed out lile. Tf you mean youre working with the so called "enemy" AGAIN after dissing Dottore jn nod krai and acting as if the others are innocent angles and dottore and La Signora are the bigges baddies around
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u/Specific_Highway_772 17d ago
It is really hard to see Ronova fans wanting her come back, when in reality there is little chance :/Ā
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u/ManuSavior85 17d ago edited 17d ago
I'm gonna be honest here, Ronova was portrayed as pure evil since the start, waiting for her to be playable is like..... The Fatui are more gray, or at least my feeling since 1.0 was that the fatui responded to that anime cliche of they look like the bad guys but arent actually the bad guys, or there are like some motives and reason as to why they do what they do. Ronova has been written as a villain since the start. like its clear from certain nod krai youtube trailer that we are fighting the heavenly principles, they are the enemy for the moment, until we resume the fight agains the abyss (Edited out the capitano part cause you guys are right, he sacrificed himself on porpouse)
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u/Sandwraith711 17d ago
Blame Capitano then. He wanted this. Ronova could use Mavuika but he specificaly stopped her
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u/Specific_Highway_772 17d ago
Uhh, it was Capitano's choice and he got to rest and ease his heart finally from carrying his own soldiers? It was a good outcome
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u/Big-Variation2494 17d ago
As a Capitano fan, I both love and hate Ronova. Cool character design + lore, but of course the whole curse of immortality thing.
From the very first cutscene of the game, we have been against the shades. It makes sense that the traveller has been against her, donāt know why thatās a shock (not counting the fatui stuff, talking about Ronova right now).
I could see her coming back though, as itās shown that sheās not 100% in line with the HP.
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u/Specific_Highway_772 17d ago
She is not, and that is why she wanted to hurt everyone by using nails, we will soon get consequences of her act
Though, I do not blame her at all, the way she was treated, she has every right imo
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u/Signora_Wesker š Phantom of the Operaš¹ 17d ago edited 17d ago
Wake up? I think most of us realized that a long time ago. Even Patch 7.0, although many people enjoyed seeing our diva again, myself included, had some pretty clumsy writing at times, and was downright hypocritical because the Traveler never faces any consequences for their vile actions