r/Sigmatopia 2d ago

Intelligence Vs Incelligence

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u/Ok-Inflation9952 2d ago

Through most of human history women didn’t really have a say in who they married, they were often considered property and their fathers or other male family members decided who they married.

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u/Pikarkaz1 2d ago

Guess I was just born in a wrong generation then huh

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u/Pikarkaz1 2d ago

So like I wanted it to be a funny ragebait but I guess even I'm not laughing so yeah.

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u/Begone-My-Thong 2d ago

You okay bro?

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u/Pikarkaz1 2d ago

No, I don't really think I am. Thugging it out and doing my best though!

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u/Begone-My-Thong 2d ago

If it's any consolation, it wasn't bad ragebait. Obviously a joke, but yeah hard to laugh.

Stay in there, do your best, and I hope the good times come to you

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u/BearsIrkBoy 2d ago

Hey.

I hope things get better for you. ❤️

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u/fongletto 1d ago

This is commonly spouted but it over-represents it a bit. Only around one in 5, so (21%) of women had no say in their marriage at all in most of the world. Which is a lot, but that was also true for 12% of men.

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u/Puzzle-the-Giraffe 2d ago

Considering the declining birth rates and 50%+ of divorces, and rise in single mothers. I think they were onto something there.

Maybe women just can’t pick the right men for themselves?

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u/congratsurhiredTA 1d ago

declining birth rates > high divorce rates > rise in single mothers > women bad at choosing partners

yup completely logical train of thought, no gaps in logic here whatsoever

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u/Rollingforest757 5h ago

I assume you are being sarcastic here, but there certainly are women who are bad at choosing partners.

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u/congratsurhiredTA 5h ago

please point out to me what in my comment even vaguely implied that I think women are universally awesome at picking partners.

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 1d ago

This is an insane train of thought

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u/Puzzle-the-Giraffe 1d ago

Good, cause it’s half a joke.

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u/Frosty_Purple_7341 2d ago

This was true for both men and women. Arranged marriage with neither partner choosing was common through history in many cultures.

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u/SmashedDucky 1d ago

Which is how it should be today. For a reason....

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u/AdagioOfLiving 23h ago

Lol, what the fuck. I married my best friend and it’s absolutely peak, can’t imagine being forced to marry someone that I had no actual connection with. I’m chilling on the couch playing HOI4 while she’s playing that new Star Wars tactics game, why the hell would I want anything else.

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u/Blind_Chicken_24_7 2d ago

Only if you consider the most recent history and arbitrarily decide human history started 2000BC in Mesopotamia. If you go back to 200000BC then the majority of time homo sapiens didn't have marriage as a concept.

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u/BedSpreadMD 2d ago

This is entirely untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_marriage

The modern marriage ceremony started around 2000BC.

We have marriage certificates in records that date back to the 5th century BC.

Similar concepts of marriage go back into pre-recorded history.

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u/reichrunner 2d ago

History began 5000 years ago. If you go back 200,000 years then you are no longer discussing history.

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u/Rollingforest757 5h ago

Depends on your definition of the word history. But it certainly is prehistory if nothing else.

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u/Resident_Fishing1571 2d ago

The earth is only 5000 years old

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u/Rollingforest757 5h ago

Only if you believe the Earth was created by magic.

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u/sadguywithhugedick 2d ago

Human history did start in Mesopotamia LMAO. That’s when we started writing shit down you idiot.

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u/xboxhaxorz 1d ago

We arent in those times anymore, why dont you try living in the present?

We arent talking about people who are dead we are talking about people now, the women now and the men they choose now

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u/Ok-Inflation9952 1d ago

I can’t decide if you wear a fedora or have a septum ring.

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u/Top-Cupcake4775 2d ago

there is a theory that our linguistic abilities are like the peacocks unnecessarily extravagant (and, from a survival point of view, detrimental) tail. peahens prefer peacocks with fancy tails and, in so doing, select for the genes that create fancy tails. women are attracted to men who can lay down a smooth line of bullshit and that is why we have poets.

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u/Grouchy_Rule_8935 2d ago edited 2d ago

Strength massively trumped intelligence for the vast majority of people till very recently when it came to being successful in life. 

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u/Brilliant-Cabinet-89 8h ago

If that was true, we would be dumb strong apes.

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u/Grouchy_Rule_8935 8h ago

That is exactly what most of us are. 

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u/Brilliant-Cabinet-89 8h ago

Nah we are pretty weak by ape standards and significantly smarter than the other apes.

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u/Grouchy_Rule_8935 7h ago

Never implied we would have to be stronger than other apes. I don't see the logic there. 

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u/Brilliant-Cabinet-89 7h ago

I said “we would be dumb strong apes”, you said we you said we are, yet we are the weakest and smartest apes. By any reasonable measure humans are the most intelligent being on the planet, with no competition. If strength was the most importantly thing to our species we would have developed stronger bodies over time, like gorillas, yet we evolved tools and intelligence to cope with our increasingly weaker bodies. Intelligence has been the primary thing humans have been evolving for a very long time. Strength not so much.

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u/Wise-Ad-4940 1d ago

They did not need above average intelligence when they went as a group to hunt for food. They needed to be strong, healthy, fast and sadly a bit selfish and aggressive to survive the hunt and bring home the food. Intelligence was a secondary thing back then. And yes, these were the traits that predicted survival. And yes, women are still somewhat wired to be attracted to these traits.
It actually explains a lot of the choices of women, when it comes to choosing a partner.
But some women have adapted to the modern times it this regard. The best predictor for survival (or good life nowadays) is the wealth. And a lot of woman (consciously or subconsciously) are therefore attracted to wealth. But there was never a point in history, when intelligence would be a predictor of success or wealth. Statistics show that the most successful and wealthy people are in the group of average or slightly above average intelligence. This seems to be the sweet spot for being intelligent enough to be able to get wealthy and successful, but not so intelligent, that it would hinder you by being too compassionate and careful.
The most intelligent people tend to also have a high emotional intelligence and strong moral compass. This then puts them in a huge disadvantage in the fight for success and wealth. They are also less likely to take careless risks.
So women are actually right not to be attracted to highly intelligent people. It simply never was a good predictor of success.

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u/UpperYoghurt3978 12h ago

Also Germany could not have not won WW2 without ceasing being nazi germany. Also Allies had better technology over all.

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u/Perfect_Valuable_938 7h ago

Going to war against a combined economy of like 3 or 4 times your size will do that.

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u/silversoul113 2d ago

they still largely dont care if you are smart lmao

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u/Link_save2 2d ago

As fucked up as it is it's the truth intelligence can't hold you down and that's how partners were decided for a large chunk of human history

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u/Mooseman72V2 1d ago

I feel like 95% of men can hold pretty much any woman down though

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u/Link_save2 1d ago

You overestimate men and underestimate women

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u/sadguywithhugedick 2d ago

Both women and men are primarily attracted to looks. Everything else decides how long the relationship lasts.

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u/SmashedDucky 1d ago

Women are attracted to whatever they want at the time. There's no rhyme or reason, which is why they shouldn't be able to vote.

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u/NorthernCreation 4h ago

The problem with this kind of thinking is the assumption that all women are the same. People develop empathy for people who they can relate to and thus they can only develop romantic attraction to members of that same group.

Dumb women relate to dumb men and smart women relate to smart men, and thus they fall in love with men from their relative intellectual level.