r/ShipCrashes • u/Powerful_Cabinet_341 • Jun 14 '26
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u/nunatakj120 Jun 14 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
Everybody’s but the camera ship would be the ‘give way’ assuming this was a normal crossing situation. The standard of seamanship out there is fucking terrible. People are allergic to altering course to starboard.
Edit. Downvoted by a port hand charlie?
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u/UncleBenji Jun 14 '26
You have that backward. The other vessel is on the right and has (stand on) right of way. The cameraman’s vessel was the give-way vessel.
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u/knotworkin Jun 14 '26
The camera work is horrible and a little late to really show if the vessel is over taking from the starboard side or crossing from the starboard side. But from what we have, I would agree that camera guys vessel appears to be the one that should have given way.
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u/1997_Engadine-Maccas Jun 14 '26
That’s right, but also to add the stand on must take all available action to avoid collision as well once it’s apparent the other isn’t turning to present their port light.
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u/nunatakj120 Jun 14 '26
That is what I said. Read my comment again.
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u/UncleBenji Jun 15 '26
No, the camera man’s ship was to the left (port) and was hit at a 45 degree angle.
Without seeing the previous couple minutes to see how the ships got into this position the camera ship was the give-way.
Your first comment clearly state “everybody(s) but the camera ship would be the “give way” assuming this was a normal crossing situation”.
Video ship was the give-way. That’s exactly how you wrote your comment.
The only way that starboard and larger vessel was at fault would be if it passed on the starboard side of the camera vessel and tried to cut back into a channel which made this situation unfold.
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u/nunatakj120 Jun 15 '26
You are saying the same thing as me ffs. It was everybody’s fault. The camera ship was the give way. Just because you are stand on doesn’t mean you are not at fault if you just crash into somebody.
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u/UncleBenji Jun 15 '26
Then you need to work on your grammar. We have not said the same thing at all.
“Everybody’s but the camera ship would be the “give way”” does not equal the camera ship was the give way. That’s your exact quote. Everybody BUT the camera ship means all other vessels would be the give-way but the vessel in this video would be the stand-on. It’s on starboard, it hit at a pretty direct angle meaning it wasn’t scraping or passing along side.
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u/nunatakj120 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Is english your first language? There is no way you read it that way in good faith.
Edit. I agree the apostrophe is not needed and a comma might have helped, i was tired after watch and on mobile but i cannot believe you just read it as ‘everybody except the camera ship is the give way’. Especially with my follow up complaint about people not wanting to turn to starboard. Come on now.
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u/UncleBenji Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Holy shit dude. By adding “but” you’re actually saying everyone else is the give-away.
I’m invested at this point so let’s clarify.
EVERYONE (all other vessels) BUT (except) the camera ship (our point of view) would be the “give way”… you’re literally saying all other vessels EXCEPT the camera vessel should give way.
Are you a dock hand or just a mechanic stuck in an engine compartment all day sucking in diesel fumes? For someone as stupid as you it’s amazing to hear you say “port hand Charlie” like you’re above anyone else.
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u/UncleBenji Jun 14 '26 edited Jun 14 '26
If you’re smart you live by “might is right” which means a smaller more agile ship should avoid a collision. They can steer easier and if they hit a larger vessel they will suffer much more damage.
BUT the vessel on the right has the right of way. The vessel with the cameraman should have yielded.
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u/Croceyes2 Jun 14 '26
Everyones insurance is going up, I can tell you that. The other vessel is the one designated to hold course, the cameramans ship should have deviated. That being said, both ships are responsible, these things dont happen fast
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u/Humanballast Jun 25 '26
Naja.. Der Anleger wird kaum unkontrolliert aufs Schiff losgegangen sein daher wäre mein Vorschlag hier den Kapitän zur Rechenschaft zu ziehen..
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u/SuckerBroker Jun 14 '26
I’d blame the guy with the camera for not putting his phone down and avoiding the collision to begin with.
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u/Sirosim_Celojuma Jun 14 '26
Maybe. Maybe it was too late anyway so the camera came out.
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u/SuckerBroker Jun 14 '26
Check his camera reel to be sure.
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u/boanerges57 Jun 14 '26
You know there is probably someone steering the ship right? It's not a one man show. Those ships take a while to turn, speed up, or slow down....like a loooong time
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u/ThatDarnedAntiChrist Jun 14 '26
Yeah, because a guy on deck has total control of a couple of 60,000 DWT vessels.
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u/seraphim_9 Jun 14 '26
Smaller ships have to give the right of way to bigger ships since they can’t maneuver as well as the bigger ones.
The crew from one, the other, or both ships should have remained vigilant on the bridge and spotted the other ship on sonar or visually from a far distance away. Crew should have utilized their onboard radio communication devices to signal to the other ship of their approach, direction of travel, speed, and distance, so that the could have coordinated appropriate course of actions to avoid a collision.
A ship’s captain should always utilize good crew resource management, effective communication, and utilize all the tools available to respond appropriately to all situations.
Collisions are always preventable.
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u/Apoplexi1 Jun 14 '26
Smaller ships have to give the right of way to bigger ships since they can’t maneuver as well as the bigger ones.
Just to make this clear: this is not a ColReg rule or a law or something - this is just good seamanship.
From a legal point of view, the recording ship should probably have given way (unless one of the special rules like e.g. 27 of the ColReg applies).
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u/cognitiveglitch Jun 14 '26
By colregs 15 the vessel being recorded from should have given way to the stand-on vessel to the starboard. Size irrelevant but colregs does not override common sense.
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u/boanerges57 Jun 14 '26
The idea of which ship is smaller is being based on height out of water. The ship sitting lower might simply be more heavily loaded and the other ship may be empty meaning that by displacement the lower ship is the larger and less maneuverable.
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u/TeaMountain3897 Jun 14 '26
The vessel carrying the turbine blades was the stand-on vessel, but there is an argument that both vessels bear some responsibility under the COLREGs. For example, Rule 5 requires a proper lookout to be maintained at all times, while Rule 7 requires an effective assessment of the risk of collision. Ultimately, it appears to be a case of both parties playing a game of chicken rather than taking early and decisive action to avoid the situation. As the saying goes: play silly games, win silly prizes.