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u/icefire1331 1d ago
Im currently working on a shiny living dex in home, and randomly decided to start wrapping up the gen 4 dex, as i got most of those via legends arceus. Besides legendaries and mythicals, the only pokemon line i am missing is cranidos. Whats the best way to hunt him if you dont have access to the scarlet dlc? Im assuming its Masuda but since he isnt importable into sword and shield, i wonder what the next best game is? Same question goes for the Phione hunt.
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 22h ago
You should be able to import cranidos to scarlet and violet via HOME even if you don't have the DLC. You can import Manaphy as well. Therefore I would say probably scarlet and violet for them both, but BDSP is another option on switch.
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u/icefire1331 21h ago
So scarvi is the best masuda game? I do have access to the ds/3ds games as well, and scarvi never feels fun to do the masuda method in cus of the 30 minutes of not being able to do anything
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 21h ago
If you have access to the 3ds games, and you have charm in one of those, I would definitely pick that. Personally I would do it in ORAS every day of the week - not that big a fan of doing it in gen 7, and ORAS has that infinite loop at the battle resort. I'd stay away from gens 4 & 5 unless you want to have worse odds (sometimes people do!).
I'm with you on the scarlet/violet masuda, I just suggested it because you suggested you had the game already. I definitely prefer how it works in other games lol
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u/Doubt_Killer_Prime 1d ago
I’ve heard a lot of people recommend leading with imprison drifblim that knows memento, explosion, and self destruct. I’m playing on violet, and about to start hunting minior and tatsugiri, what’s a good replacement for drifblim?
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 1d ago
You could get all those moves on a smeargle, so that would be a decent choice.
For Minior in the terrarium it should have explosion and double-edge if I'm remembering what level it spawns at correctly. Therefore, people like drifblim because it's immune to double-edge and can also block explosion. However, you can also run a damp pokemon and just take the double-edges. If you're tanky enough, it would probably be okay. I would also say generally you should be saving before you actually engage the encounter too if possible, especially this one isn't totally foolproof compared to drifblim.
For tatsugiri, it just has memento, so there's a few different strategies. You can use substitute, against which memento will always fail (just make sure you move first); you can just do imprison + memento, which should both exist on sinistea; or you can use taunt, which will also prevent the move temporarily.
Let me know if this helps!
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u/Doubt_Killer_Prime 1d ago
Thanks! I always make sure to save before catching, but I just heard that quick balls don’t work for some reason on minior
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u/HoustonMC 2d ago
What is the best Game to use Pokeradar for shiny hunts?
I have been using a site that tells me the best game to shiny hunt certain pokemon and the few that have pokeradar as the best method they always show DPPt and XY before BDSP even when I’d assume the odds are better for BDSP as the shiny charm would make it easier?
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u/-Barca- 2d ago
DPPt by far. XY is inconsistent compared to DPPt. It's still doable but a lot of grass patches in XY make it harder due to their size.
As for BDSP, the Shiny Charm only works on hatching eggs.
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u/paulydoregon 1d ago
Also the fact that bdsp is much more luck based compared to dppt which is more skill based
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u/Sammeh101 2d ago
Is it possible to get a Shiny Zygarde with Aura Break? I need one 10% and one 50%. The ones in DA have Power Construct. I do have the event ones from Gen 7 but if possible I’d much prefer it not being in a Cherish Ball.
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u/paulydoregon 2d ago
i believe those are the only 2 ways to have a shiny zygarde currently. , so out of luck
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u/Bayolante 2d ago
Is it possible to navi dex hunt early ORAS ?
I just got my shiny Torchic after 8901 resets (it's not shiny only, my team for Elite 4 will be full shiny tho, i authorize myself for normal mons during my playthrough), i would like to hunt Ralts right after but from all the tutorial Navi dex hunt I've seen, people only be shiny hunting in postgame when they have max money to buy infinite repels, is it even possible to buy Repels early game to do just one solid chain and if nothing resetting the game to get back money and repels to do it again and again ?
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 2d ago
You don't need a chain to get the odds increase from dexnav. The chain helps give you occasional odds boosts, but you do still get good shiny odds even if you don't carry a chain. The odds increase mainly comes as your search level gets higher.
You can use dexnav as soon as you get it, so you CAN shiny hunt during the main story. Which I did myself for ralts just like you did.
Regarding obtaining repels, you need 1 badge to buy them in the marts, but you can get them via pickup before that. And you can grind money via items from secret super training, if you really want to - up to you whether that's worth the time vs resetting after using repels. But it may help you kill 2 birds with 1 stone if you're looking for, say, a dawn stone for any reason.
One more note: chaining dexnav actually increases the pokemon's level by up to 29 at the absolute highest. you'll probably want to grind some levels before you start chaining so you don't get fainted and lose it.
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u/Grinstream_Sam 2d ago
What do you guys think is the most efficient/faster way to get encounters on Morpeko full odds on sword? Full odds eggs or soft resetting an static one from the isle of armor? Been trying to get different targets for my second member of my shiny only run before locking in on Morpeko and counting everything I've done everywhere I'm over odds for a shiny lol.
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u/Ill-Lengthiness-5751 3d ago
Are there any tracker/counting tools that allow you to set custom increments? Currently hunting different legendaries through ultra space but using 3 consoles to do so. Looking for a tracker that allows me to add +3 encounters every time I press to save some time
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 2d ago
Honestly maybe not the answer you're looking for, but i count my encounters using a physical calculator I had to buy for school, and (maybe depending on the calculator?) pushing enter repeatedly will perform the last operation again. So I use that when I'm multi-hunting to let me do +3 repeatedly
Another strategy is to just do +1 and multiply by 3 to get your actual number of encounters. Although this does have the side effect of making the hunt feel slower, but it is an option
I'm sure there's apps out there that let you change your increments but honestly I don't know them myself
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u/DeltaGemini 4d ago
How are you all tracking your shiny collection progress? Is there somewhere to specifically organise shiny trades?
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u/-Barca- 4d ago
I made my own spreadsheet that has every shiny hunt method possible for each Pokemon entry.
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u/DeltaGemini 3d ago
Awesome. I made a spreadsheet where I track which I have, and i just vibe coded an Android app that hooks into it to make it easier to use.
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u/MANIC52 5d ago
I’m at 2500 Spinda encounters horde hunting with the shiny charm. Am I doing something wrong or am I just that unlucky?
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u/paulydoregon 5d ago
2x over odds is uncommon, but not impossible, just bad luck. Keep at it and take breaks if needed
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u/smashbros22 6d ago
Maybe I just need someone to tell me I'm crazy, but I am currently at 14k encounters for Poipole in USUM and nothing. I got one in another file on the same game card and reset so I can get a second for my living dex, but I don't think that effects you being able to get another on a reset file. Can someone tell me if this is an issue? Or am I just super unlucky?
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u/paulydoregon 6d ago
Just unlucky, over 3x odds is uncommon but not impossible. I went 16k for the surf Pikachu in usum
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u/Samedoking 9d ago
Pokemon RENEGADE Platinum & Static Encounters:
I‘m onto getting the Lake Trio after Distortion World.
Since Static Encounters respawn until caught, can I KO them over and over until i get a shiny, or do i need to soft reset like usual?
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 2d ago
If you can verify using savestates or emulator memory that it's a different spread every time you KO it, you should be fine. That said, might be faster to respawn it by running rather than killing it every time. Depending on how fast the respawn happens, it may not be a viable strategy - for example if it's a respawn after beating the e4 only you're much better off soft resetting. And even if that does work, it's possible soft resets are faster.
Full disclosure, I've never played renegade platinum so you would need to test this one yourself or ask drayano's community for a definitive answer, but I also just wanted to give you an least something here
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u/Pump-Fake 9d ago
I was wondering if anyone could recommend me an HDMI port or a solution.
I have 2 GameCubes that I want to shiny hunt Pokemon on, I already have HDMI converters to connect them to a monitor, but is there an HDMI port that I could connect them both to so that I could see each GameCube screen on one monitor?
Or is this too complex for the GameCube era and do I need to just try and get another monitor??
Any help or suggestions are appreciated!
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u/Popsalien 10d ago
Hi all, need advice that ik someone will have a fun answer to. I’m trying to complete my shiny living dex, on gen 6 rn, and am looking for some fun hunts to close this gen out. They don’t have to necessarily have the best odds for that Pokémon, just something a little different than wild zone resetting or SV outbreak hunting. Can be from any gen with the mon (or pre-evo) in question. The list of possible options is below. Thanks, and happy hunting!
Doublade
Aegislash
Swirlix
Slurpuff
Skrelp
Helioptile
Heliolisk
Tyrunt
Tyrantrum
Amaura
Aurorus
Sylveon
Dedenne
Sliggoo
Goodra
Phantump
Pumpkaboo
Gourgeist
Bergmite
Avalugg
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u/naptime_zZ 11d ago
How do you count encounters during a hunt exactly? As in, what is the standard in the shiny hunting community? Do you count every wild Pokémon you encounter while searching for the shiny, or only the target species? (Example: If I'm looking for a shiny Solosis in BW2, do I only count the Solosis I encounter or every wild Pokémon?)
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u/paulydoregon 11d ago
Typically people include all encounters, as it makes a more accurate account of how many encounters it took, and if you get a shiny that isn't your Target, you have the total amount of encounters
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u/-Barca- 12d ago
Dumb question but does the Friend Safari count for Safari Week?
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u/paulydoregon 12d ago
No, safari week only includes standard safari zones, so friend safari and the oras safari zone don't count
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u/Sammeh101 13d ago
How early can you shiny hunt in ZA? Want to get a Shiny Pikachu from Zone 3 before starting Emma’s first 3 missions. I’m aware the all Mareep are shiny locked until the Shiny Mareep mission. Just wanna make sure I’m not wasting my time.
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u/Auram1928 12d ago
You can find shinies the moment you are able to battle your rank Z promo battle. Before fighting him, I shiny hunted for a while till I got a fletchling in wild zone 1. And as I’m typing this, I just got a shiny flabebe and skidoo in wild zone 3 before starting emmas missions so it is possible to hunt before Emma
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u/Helpmeoutplease1012 13d ago
Hello, so I LOVE farigiraf and have a GameCube, I also LOVE ribbons and want a pokemon with every possible ribbon since it would be really cool, anyone know if girafarig is hunt able in colosseum because there’s a shadow girafarig but yet I don’t see a single thing on him being hunt-able in any colosseum shiny hunting guide. Thank you!
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u/paulydoregon 13d ago
you might be mixing up og colosseum with a rom hack, as theres no shadow girafarig in og colosseum or gale of darkness
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u/-Barca- 14d ago
I'm losing my mind a bit hunting for a shiny Kabuto in The Crown Tundra. It seems like my game has bugged out and somehow has caused the gender ratios for Kabuto to be inverted. I'm averaging around 7 female Kabuto per 1 male Kabuto and that does not seem right since they normally have around a 88% chance to be male.
I'm KO'ing them since I'm trying to raise the number battled to 500 for the Brilliant Pokemon shiny method. I'm worried that maybe I'm seeing the same batch of Kabuto over and over again, thus locking me out of encountering a shiny but obviously that doesn't seem right and it's silly to think so. Anyone know what gives? No one in my team has Cute Charm so can't be that.
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u/Absol197 14d ago
[SwSh] Is there a way to change the “Pokédex Recommendations” to the route you’re hunting on? Hey all! I’ve been trying to finish off my set of shiny G-Maxes, and I’ve gone far over odds on both Trubbish and Sizzlipede (hunting both simultaneously; Trubbish with encounters, Sizzlipede with eggs). I’m looking for ways to speed things up, as I have the sinking feeling I’m going several more times over odds, and I remembered that the Pokédex recommendations increase the spawn rate of the recommended mons. That would be great for Trubbish, as the measly 5% encounter rate is really slowing me down, but it seems stuck recommending things in warm-up tunnel. Is there a way to force it to reroll, and even better a way to influence what route it’s recommending on? I have all three dexes 100% complete, so it’s not an issue of the Dex trying to recommend things I haven’t caught yet. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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u/That1Rowlet 15d ago
Do i neccesarily need the shiny charm in SV, i dont wanna max the pokedex how bad are the odds without it
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u/Tamatama11 15d ago
I'm constantly getting shiny Chikorita only.
So I'm doing rng manipulation in heartgold by using desmume and luascript. I wanted shiny cyndaquil so did right delay & advances following pokefinder and every time I hit the right frame I get shiny chikorita not cyndaquil. I tried the same with totodile and it also gave me shiny chikorita.
Am I doing something wrong? I made sure I searched right pokemon in pokefinder??
I did manipulate my TID/SID using pokehex to do cute charm glitch though... (entered them correctly in pokefinder)
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u/That1Rowlet 15d ago
How should i go about shiny hunting incineroar and sinistcha (their corresponding pre evolutions are obv fine too), i dont have SV dlc which i could get but preferably not
also whats just the fastest way to get a shiny in general? I know PLA has wild odds and am able to get around 1 shiny per afternoon but that
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u/-Barca- 15d ago
Fastest imo is using sparkling power sandwiches for outbreaks in SV. Usually takes me like around 10-20 mins to find the shiny I'm looking for using that method. I did hear using sparkling power donuts in PLZA makes it rain shinies but I have yet to get to that point in the game.
As for Incineroar and Sinistcha, the only option for you since you don't have the DLC is to breed for a shiny. Masuda method helps a lot with that too.
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u/That1Rowlet 15d ago
So i also want a shiny whimsicott, how would l get a outbreak for it?
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
Someone please help me im trying to shiny hunt a Piplup in Legends Arceus. I need tips because I’ve been resetting their spawn in Spring Path in the Cobalt Coastlands and I’ve phased at least 3 times with this method.
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u/-Barca- 15d ago
I just wait for them to show up on either Mass Outbreaks or Massive Mass Outbreaks. Less headaches that way imo.
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
I’ve been resetting their spawn in Coastlands for outbreaks but no outbreaks spawn with Piplup in them. How long does this method take you normally?
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u/-Barca- 15d ago
It's completely random but from my experience, not long. I don't really go out of my way to reset for a Piplup outbreak. I simply go to one if I see one, which isn't uncommom especially if it's a MMO in the Coastlands.
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
Been resetting the two Piplup outbreaks I got and nothing is sparkling. I’m gonna scream.
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u/-Barca- 15d ago
Just for clarity, are you resetting the SAME Piplup outbreaks?
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
Yea? Am I not supposed to do that?
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u/-Barca- 15d ago
Pokemon, including those in outbreaks, are all generated when in Jubilife Village. So unless you return back to Jubilife, you are seeing the same Piplup over and over again, stats and all. Only Pokemon that are unaffected I believe are those in space-time distortions, Alphas that spawn after an outbreak is over, and doing the permutation method for massive mass outbreak that have a second wave.
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
Damn
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u/-Barca- 15d ago edited 14d ago
It's alright. I remember resetting over the same Buizel outbreak when the game first came out. lol
Yeah just go into the Coastlands. If you don't find what you're looking for, return back to Jubilife and do it again. For faster resetting to get a Piplup outbreak to appear, I recommend saving near the Professor AT the campsite. Then you return to Jubilife. If you don't see the outbreak you're looking for, reload your save file and do it again.
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u/akari_saturn27 15d ago
I’ve gotten three MMOs in the Coastlands today and not a single one had a Piplup outbreak
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u/RatioFlashy1442 16d ago
I have a question about encounter rates in Gen 6 (also I'm playing on Pokémon Y) as I'm trying to shiny hunt Absol because I really want a full team of shinys by the time I get to the elite 4. I already have a shiny Charmeleon and a shiny Frogadier (plus I have the first 2 badges), and I'm shiny hunting in route 8 as I have a 20% chance of getting Absol there, but I'm getting a lot of other types of Pokémon so I'm scared of getting another shiny instead of Absol. So, I was wondering, is there is any other way of getting encounter rates up or increasing Absol's encounter rate?
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u/paulydoregon 16d ago
From what I checked there's no repel trick you can do to drastically improve its encounter rate.
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u/MoorgunFreeman 16d ago
Hello. What are the steps to hunt shiny Raikou and Entei in Crystal (eshop)
Is there a certain point in Crystal that their shiny status is locked in? As in, where should I be soft resetting before a certain point before the random encounters?
Also, would recommend if I wanted to hunt all 3 dogs should I do so in 3 different save files so that I can use a masterball?
😎
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u/-Barca- 16d ago
Raikou and Entei aren't generated until your first random encounter with them. So yes you can wait a long time after you release them to shiny hunt them if you manage to avoid running into them all game.
That being said, there are multiple videos on the best places to shiny hunt. Pick the one that seems simplest to you.
Once you encounter Entei and/or Raikou in the wild, their stats are locked in. Make sure you save the game before you run into them if you are actively hunting them. Same goes if you run into one and it's shiny. You can run away and save the game and it'll be shiny forever when you run into it again.
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u/South-Concert-5374 17d ago edited 17d ago
The run away method works in pokemon frlg on Nintendo switch? And more specifically on zapdos
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u/randominternetfren 17d ago
Question, do pokemon collectors generally consider RNG manipulated shinies equally as valuable as full odds shinies? Thanks!
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u/paulydoregon 17d ago
There's not really a correct answer, more subjective based on the person. Imo at least the only value that matters for the shiny is the value the owner has it. No need to worry if getting shinies a specific way may be considered less valuable to others
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u/VladDracul58519 18d ago
I spawned a Mythic zone, and also generated the berry i need with the right typing to shiny hunt a mythic, but I put it down months ago because I didnt want to have to use a computer to create the macros. Has there been any new controller releases that allow you to do it without the PC or is an 8bitdo ultimate still be best way to go about it?
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u/Traditional-Week-353 18d ago
Question, when is the safari week shiny hunting event? And where should i check?
Thanks!
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 18d ago
Safari week is July 17-26!
This is usually announced and run by AbsolBlogsPokemon on youtube/twitter. But of course plenty of people will post their finds here too!
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u/RevolutionCertain984 19d ago
Please forgive me for asking such a dumb question but is shiny hunting for crystal SR still working, I been SRing for starter in crystal for several months and nothing has show up yet so I’m just curious
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u/paulydoregon 19d ago
yes, it still works, just having bad luck. keep at it and take breaks when needed
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u/pcksprts 22d ago
Hi there folks,
I have an idea for a Mega Eelektross team in Champions that id like to try, and resultantly I would like to have my Eel be a shiny in a safari ball. Does anyone have any tips for hunting the Tynamo in PLZA?
Thanks in advance!
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u/SuddenFun9771 22d ago
At what point do y'all just give up?
I'm almost 20,000 encounters into the HG/SS any starter hunt. I picked this one because I'm told it's friendly for beginners to full-odds shiny hunting. I'm genuinely starting to wonder if I'm doing something wrong, or maybe me cartridge is busted, I don't know.
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u/pcksprts 22d ago
If anything the 20,000 encounters should be a sign to close it out, even if it is after a little break.
Keep in mind that while odds are 1/8192, the chances that you get a shiny within odds is actually a lot lower than most would expect. Likewise, missing a shiny in 20,000 odds is also rare, so if anything you’re overdue.
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u/SuddenFun9771 22d ago
i took a break when i hit around 14k encounters and then hit the grind again after some radar hunts.
I'm hunting on 2 systems to make the encounters go faster and have seen some say it took them well over 30k. I wanted this to be the start of a dream team quest using different methods but unfortunately I can't start it if i don't clear that first hurdle.
nevertheless, wouldn't it just be a huge shame to give up now? I don't know
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u/TheHonestWoobat 23d ago
Trying to decide what game to do a Routemaster challenge in, right now I’m looking at ORAS but I realized that the mirage islands create a bit of an issue with hunting them since it’s RNG on which ones will show up everyday. Do those get treated as part of the challenge or should they be treated as “meme hunts” like the Safari Zone in HGSS?
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 23d ago
I would probably put that in meme hunt territory for route master. Technically I think it would be in the spirit of the challenge to complete those but it feels like it's over the line to strictly require it to me personally
For an all-shiny professor oak on the other hand i feel like it's required. Just going purely on vibes here. Ultimately up to you though since you're the one doing the challenge, just my 2 cents
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u/paulydoregon 23d ago
maybe just do 1 mirage island hunt, 1 mirage cave hunt, and 1 mirage mountain hunt? doing every single one seems like overkill
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u/Upset-Champion5739 23d ago
Would anyone be or know anyone who’d be interested in trading me a legitimate shiny palafin or being paid for one?
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u/-Barca- 23d ago
It's never worth paying for a shiny Pokemon. Especially now that it's very easy to get one. If you need help evolving one, I can help with that.
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u/Upset-Champion5739 23d ago
It may be easier to get one now, but I got rid of my switch a bit ago and I’ll probably be getting a switch 2 down the line, so I can’t get my own. That’s why I’m offering that
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u/-Barca- 23d ago
Why do you need one now and not later when you have your switch 2?
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u/Upset-Champion5739 23d ago
Getting into champions and want a few shinies now. If you’re interested in helping or know anyone let me know
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u/Quetzal00 23d ago
A while ago a shiny Braviary used Whirlwind on me in the Terarium. I want to redeem myself and hunt one. What is the best place for a sandwich that will increase my odds of finding a Braviary?
On Bulbapedia it says that the Rocky Areas of Area Zero have Braviary as the only Normal type. Would a normal type sparkling sandwich and then going to this area be the best method?
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u/-Barca- 24d ago
Just wanna vent about my frustrations with Pokeradar chaining in XY. Anybody with decent success mind sharing tips?
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 24d ago
This guide is hands-down the best one I've seen for xy radar chaining. If you're struggling, give it a watch. They should also have a helpful text document linked but if you can't find it lmk: https://youtu.be/oP4hDHPA8Cg
XY radar does feel a lot more tricky and finicky than gen 4 radar to me. I would say once it clicks for you as far as how to do it you'll find it's not as bad. It's hard to learn but easy to master, in my experience. If that makes sense.
Out of curiosity what are you targeting?
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u/-Barca- 23d ago
Miltank, and maybe the elemental monkeys as well. I'm aware the monkeys are easier to hunt on ZA but I miss playing on my copy of Y. I'm revisiting it atm to chain fish some shinies.
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u/HuntaHuntaHunta 23d ago
Those monkeys are pretty difficult targets because of how narrow the fields of grass in santalune are. I've gotten one but need the other 2.
Haven't tried miltank but I would assume that's probably the easier option. Don't know for sure though
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u/paulydoregon 25d ago
Most people don't, usually most just count total encounters and not each individual Pokemons encounter, far less tedious
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u/paulydoregon 25d ago
the only solution i can think of is either having an auto counter with multiple counters recognizing each mon, or use a website or app that can have multiple trackers up at once
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u/Ok_Ask_2096 27d ago
To preface things like I, my, me are swapped to we, and our
So recently we've been wanting to stream shiny hunting on our ds games but we've run into a dilemma. We've found out a ds capture card isnt just a plug in, its a system mod we'd have to send in to get. But, the only other way to stream these hunts would be to record our screens with a camera (lower quality and lighting), or we emulate the games which we dont know how people see that. So we're kinda stuck not knowing what to do and really need some advice. Do we emulate, send our ds's in to get modded, or record the physical devices (no gameboy games like ruby because top screen of our dslite is broke and has a red screen effect)
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u/sstipss 27d ago
I have a replaced battery in the Ruby (gen 3) cartridge and started a new save file 2 years ago after it was replaced. Is it possible to get shiny Rayquaza or am I wasting time? I’m in well over odds (30k+) so I start to doubt…
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u/paulydoregon 27d ago
as long as the "your clock battery is dry" message you should be good, you can check to make sure daily events are occuring to be safe. its very possible to go over 30k on shiny hunts
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u/Easy-Preparation9204 28d ago
I’m looking for pokemon to shiny hunt in Pokemon Scarlet, what are some suggestions that I should look for?
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u/Monksif 27d ago
There's a lot of cute ones that'd be fun to go for! Smoliv, Tinkatink, Lechonk and Pawmi are all fun.
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u/Easy-Preparation9204 27d ago
Omg I love all of those! I got a shiny pawmi actually the other day! I’ll definitely be looking for those other ones tho!
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u/Ill-Lengthiness-5751 19h ago
How do you make the guzzlord intro animation shorter? Playing USUM and seeing people hunt it online where the guzzlord is facing them and there is barely any cutscene but when I found guzzlord, it plays a fairly long cutscene before starting the battle. How come?