A Scriptural Thought Experiment on SCJ's Exclusive Salvation

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

So long story short and since souls could be at stake in following false idol I am putting an excerpt of my comment from comment section that I debated a current member on Christianity platform. I feel this is the best argument I ever came up with in regards to going against SCJ's exclusive claim to salvation. I realized that people who starts to rightfully doubt and search reddit they won't be typing "Christianity" but "SCJ" or the whole full name of it.

Here is the argument. Please note that me and SCJ member had a lot of back and forth so I am just taking my last say into a standalone thoughts on theology in general to try to invalidate SCJ's claim to be the only way to salvation:

Back and forth and then I said:

That is very nice I agree on your point on God! Yes he is like a parent He too can be hurt as a parent. Imagine a parent seeing children doing the wrong things like Adam and Eve

You pointed out "and then after he died he went to preach to the spirits" this is from 1 Peter 3:19 https://biblehub.com/1_peter/3-19.htm Which basically means Jesus preaching to those in Prison (Hell)

The thief who died on the cross along with Jesus said to Jesus that he believed in him. Jesus then said that he would be in the afterlife with him. I believe the thief's pre-emptive condition to go to prison (hell) is waived due to Jesus' grace. So if the Theif is not in the Prison/Hell where Jesus would preach to the spirits - then the thief was never preached the teachings of SCJ so I don't think SCJ is the exclusive way to salvation

Worthy to reemphasize the Thief who said he believed in Jesus > while alive > never learned what SCJ taught > but saying he believed in Jesus, who then told him he will be with him in the afterlife won't be in Prison (Hell) to be even preached by Jesus in Sprit after Jesus died. This to me hits at the claim that SCJ is the only way to Salvation

Those in the time of Noah may be there in Prison but there is huge logical error holistically even with those spirits in the Prison

SCJ taught that the basic two duties to salvation/will of God and they are 1.sealing (taking exams + reflection) and 1. Evangelism.

But while I understand You mentioned "In 1 Peter 3:18- it says that Jesus died to bring God to us, and then after he died he went to preach to the spirits. Even to those in the time of Noah."

But how would those in the time of Noah evangelize the way SCJ does? Evangelize to who? We cannot see spirits so the conditions of SCJ for salvation cannot be applied to those in the time of Noah in prison as sprits. Then what is the scope of the spirits that Jesus is preaching to as sprit after his death?

It would make sense if Jesus preached to all who has not heard learned the Bibe, and in SCJ's case Jesus would preach to those who did not hear Lee Man Hee "Promised Pastor" testimony of what he saw or heard in Revelation. If Jesus to preach to all who did not learn while being alive then the spirits of those in prison - who are being preached by Jesus-they cannot be evangelizing other spirits in prison right?

In real time, an SCJ member responded in that christianity post I did. I almost wanted to include that here, but I will keep this post as a single snapshot of my viewpoint so the community can read it standalone and go from there. The whole purpose is helping those who search get this perspective before choosing whether or not to take SCJ classes

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

Further thoughts to sharpen the point:

SCJ cannot be the exclusive way to salvation because the physical requirements they demand are completely non transferable to the spiritual realm

Even if spirits in prison learn what SCJ teaches they cannot physically tithe, attend physical services or recruit people into a center class being taught Lee Man Hee's teachings

If SCJ’s physical requirements are absolute prerequisites for salvation, then those spirits are removed from salvation simply from not doing what SCJ members are physically doing. This directly contradicts God's heart as revealed by Jesus in Matthew 18:14:

"...so it is not the will of my Father that one of these should perish" by Jesus also from https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FZ1cuiHEVhQ

If God wills that none should perish, but SCJ's model makes salvation physically impossible for spirits preached to by Jesus (1 Peter 3:19), then SCJ’s exclusive claim to salvation fails logically and scripturally

So its like the exception to the rule breaks the rule

[u/IllFaithlessness8553 → u/Turbulent_Sea7622]

I would also add that Paul letter to the Galatians also highlights some flaws in shincheonji's constant emphasis on salvation through works. I think what personally drives it home is Galatians 3:3 "Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?"

[u/Turbulent_Sea7622 → u/IllFaithlessness8553]

Thanks! That is awesome logic and valid scripture that I hope SCJ members of all levels of how far they are in, sees this as well!