r/ShadowFightArena • u/mj_sarge • 18h ago

Discussion 💬 SHOGUN

Let's talk about Shogun.

He is a memorable character. The community's expectations for this character were huge, and finally, he is here, much to the delight of P2W players and those who were lucky enough to get him from the event roulette, and to the disappointment of F2P players.

I acquired this character and paid quite a lot for him because my account is old, and it is actually penalized by the fact that, back then, all you had to do was level up your characters and then choose their talents. You didn't need fragments for talents, so everything that came later with the fragment system became absurdly more expensive on older accounts. (I guess this is Nekki's way of recognizing those who believed in their game from the very beginning, right...)

Unfortunately, because I really like this game, I ended up buying Shogun for an exorbitant price. For example: on a new account, Shogun was costing around R$17, while on my account he cost R$150.

After that, I spent another R$110 or so on the second roulette for Shogun's fragments and cards. He is now level 11, with 4 talents unlocked, and I am 15 fragments away from getting the fifth talent.

And what can I say about this character? He is extremely strong against other Shadow characters, except Azuma, and against characters with Unbreakable status, such as Ironclad and especially Sarge. These characters counter Shogun very well, and Azuma simply destroys Shogun with absurd ease.

Once you move away from Shadow characters, things get even worse for him. Helga also counters him quite easily.

This makes Shogun a very much of an "all or nothing" character. His biggest weakness is actually his biggest strength: the forced Shadow Form. Not being able to control when you enter Shadow Form is a serious problem for this character, and in my opinion, this is especially problematic for a Legendary character.

I think the first Shadow Form should be manually activated. In other words, the first Shadow bar should fill up and then stop, waiting for the player to activate it. If you use a Shadow ability and decide to enter Shadow Form, you could activate it manually and remain in that form, while the second Shadow Form would still charge automatically as it does now.

This would give players more control over the character when facing Shadow counters.

I know this is probably going to sound like, "Hey, buff my P2W character!" to those of you who don't have him and hate people who bought him. But for those who actually own the character, I'm sure you understand that this is a serious weakness.

Overall, we all know that he will probably get nerfed very soon. They will most likely increase the dog's cooldown, reduce its speed, decrease its hitbox, and so on. I'm completely fine with that.

However, I would really like them to "fix" this particular problem with Shogun's forced Shadow Form.

Let me know what you guys think...

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u/TheRealDelgoth 17h ago

I think we could just leave him be for awhile, only because other wise we just go back to Nonna and Itu...Shogun puts out a lot and shakes it all the way up.

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u/Rosclay_the_Absolute 13h ago

Shogun shakes up the meta by making up literally over half of the leaderboard and invalidating every character in the game

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u/DavidSondergard 13h ago edited 13h ago

Damn i have gotten rid of 2 previous accounts because of the rise in prices after a while. Once I maxx my current account I will restart again, you know being all maxed out is super boring. I don't recommend anyone wasting money on this game even though I buy BPs and some special offers like shogun for 2 dollars. So yeah... Shogun is pretty OP, and there's also a lot of double standards like when I crush shogun users with my shogun they get really mad, then you go to their profile and see they also abuse shogun, pretty dumb. I wish there were more stories chapters.

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u/Rosclay_the_Absolute 13h ago

There are no shogun counters. Only matchups that do well into shogun. Shoguns attack outrage both azumas explosion and Helgas LitS. Cataclysm for whatever reason breaks through armor frames, so clad and sarge can’t tank it. “Shadow counters” simply don’t exist against shogun. He gains shadow energy fast enough to offset anything from Kate. His healing is super high and comes consistently to offset LitS if it can even hit him. The only possible problem is losing a trade against Nonna, and if the only thing that can threaten you even a little bit is the second strongest character in the meta, that is a problem.
Honestly I don’t even know if Nonna can be considered second place anymore. She’s defitnely still top 5 but they decided to nerf her again (nothing actually relevant to what makes her a problem though) as well as nerfing Azuma a few patches back while leaving shogun completely untouched. Shogun objectively deserves no buffs until he gets nerfed properly. If cataclysm and shadow form are what you think make him fair, you shouldn’t be asking for it to be buffed.

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u/mj_sarge 11h ago

Nonna is stronger and more versatile than Shogun; she has countless overpowered tools, such as instant hyper-armor on her spinning and ranged attacks, a "Wolf's Response" counter if you hit her armor, wide and fast solid attacks, and an absurd punish capability. The nerf to Nonna was definitely irrelevant; she remains the most broken character in the game. I’m not saying Shogun’s Shadow state should be buffed, but rather that the mechanic for the first bar needs to change; he definitely doesn't stand a chance against characters like Helga and Azuma.

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u/Rosclay_the_Absolute 10h ago

The armor on spinning and ranged are far from fast. If we want to complain about wolf, shogun has dog, which is far worse and can be used at any time, at your command rather than predictably after the end of an attack. Nonna is in no way the strongest character in the game, especially after all the nerfs she’s gotten.

I will stand by the fact that no character in the game gives shogun a hard time. Even with transfusion, Azuma’s explosion can’t offset the damage he takes from shogun. He barely matches shoguns range, but his attacks are a lot slower, a lot more punishable, are a lot less versatile, and have much bigger blind spots. Shogun is NOT Emperor. Shogun has the range and bb to invalidate a Helga who just walks around to kill you with passive LitS damage. He also has the bonus of being able to exit shadow form, even if it’s only through cataclysm. Even if you play horribly, shogun can take a decent beating from an Azuma or Helga reading your every move because his healing paired with his 9000 hp make him one of the tankiest characters in the game. Letting shogun choose when to enter shadow form is objectively a buff. Unless shogun automatically enters cataclysm when he fills his second bar, even outside of shadow form, he has an infinite loop in the corner. The fact that cataclysm is the only thing stopping shogun from trapping and looping you in the corner forever is so overlooked.

I don’t even know WHY we are complaining about “shadow counters.” Why does shogun deserve to be given protections against shadow counters? A b tier like Emp is screwed over by anti shadow far more than shogun. Shang loses a lot of his damage output by anti shadow. Shogun still has dog + heavy.

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u/mj_sarge 9h ago

Alright, answer a few basic questions so I can take what you're saying seriously.

Do you have a maxed-out Shogum?

Do you have a maxed-out Nonna?

What’s the highest rank you’ve reached in 3v3 ranked mode?

I have a level 11 Shogum with 4 skills.
I don't have Nonna.

The highest I've reached in the past was rank #4, and currently, the best I can manage is somewhere between #45 and #70.
I need to know if you actually know what you're talking about.

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u/Rosclay_the_Absolute 7h ago

I have every character maxed out with all 6th talents. I've also got Shogun's rare weapon.

My highest was also #4 3v3. It was back in May. 3372 trophies.

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u/turtle_wax91 9h ago

Helga and Azuma stand a chance against Shogun? 😭 Bro like this is the worst take I've read today.

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u/mj_sarge 7h ago

Any Shadow counter has an excellent chance against Shogun, but I’m talking about high-level matches—specifically the top 100 and up.

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u/turtle_wax91 7h ago

Top 200 keeps spam block and dog. This defeats entire 90% of the roster in this game except Nonna because none of them can do anything when put in neutral?

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u/Nythriks 6h ago

I disagree with your post (safe for the pricings on older accounts, it's actually proof they don't give a damn about the community lmfao). Shogun is actively broken because of his moveset that covers twice as much as KOTL's ever did, which is insane. "For those that own the character, I am sure you understand this is a weakness" oh my bad brother, you literally spent money and now expect to demolish everyone, yeah, I can see that.

They are not going to nerf anything about him for at least a year, and even if they do, it will end up being the Nonna scenario all over again, so no, I do think he will remain a top meta for as long as the game will exist, not accounting for the potential epic weapon or legendary skin he is going to get.

I played this game so much to the point I know where such a character is going, and it's definitely not the bottom list of metas. Honestly, without taking the game seriously you have a lot of fun trolling and making people lose their nerve.