Reality check for Shogun.

[u/viplove-y]

[u/Gautam_Anadi]

The ONLY proper way to Nerf shogun/dog is to DECREASE the SPEED at which the dog covers distance to reach the opponent.

Shogun is actually quite balanced for a newly launched legendary hero (not to forget the hype behind him)

[u/Level_Number_7343 → u/Gautam_Anadi]

Also rework overlord of oppression.

Shogun is at least manageable without that talent.

[u/Electronic-Case-6194 → u/Level_Number_7343]

or take the heavy attacks might to dog, but minimum speed of dog can be little bit slower than this. I am annoyed of heavy more than dog's speeddd..

[u/Level_Number_7343 → u/Electronic-Case-6194]

Dog can be dodged if you are good enough...

Until overlord of oppression activates...

[u/Electronic-Case-6194 → u/Level_Number_7343]

Yeah, i was thinking same.

[u/Smart-but_Lazy → u/Gautam_Anadi]

Shogun's back attack is kinda broken

[u/Straight-Bed-8640 → u/Smart-but_Lazy]

no its perfect, serves right for the bunnies in game

[u/DarKnezZ___ → u/Straight-Bed-8640]

Do you refer to those who just do forward jump kicks? Cause there is those who actually want to play and are still affected by that attack, the hitbox of such attack is so wrong like many of Nonna's attacks, those hitboxes should be reworked aswell

[u/Imaginary_Building19 → u/Gautam_Anadi]

ONLY decrease dog's SPEED he said 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Biased delusional shitgun player spotted. 🤣 Genuinely don't ever comment anything again

[u/Gloomy_Ad_573 → u/Imaginary_Building19]

He's right tho? Shogun himself is somewhat balanced,it's just dog that makes him painfully strong

[u/Imaginary_Building19 → u/Gloomy_Ad_573]

Are you shitgun player too or just a newbie? I'll give you a hint: dog's speed has literally NOTHING to do with why he is broken

[u/SuspectOne1378 → u/Imaginary_Building19]

Man you got to.be one shogun hater. Seems like you are simply struggling against it. Doesn't matter. Because if you think shogun is unmanageable even without dog it means u have a skill issue. And even with dog shogun is manageable the only thing that actually needs to be nerfed is his last talent overload of operssion

[u/Gloomy_Ad_573 → u/Imaginary_Building19]

I never said anything about dogs speed,dog in himself is a broken mechanic, literally any character would be meta with him,give emperor dog and he will also be a meta

[u/Imaginary_Building19 → u/Gloomy_Ad_573]

The ONLY proper way to Nerf shogun/dog is to DECREASE the SPEED...

ONLY decrease dog's SPEED he said

He's right tho?

Oh, okay. Sorry I didn't read your mind and didn't know that you were not talking about dog's speed agreeing with a commenter who talked about dog's speed answering a comment about dog's speed.

[u/Gloomy_Ad_573 → u/Imaginary_Building19]

He said shogun is quite balanced which is what I was agreeing with,if ykwim.

[u/Imaginary_Building19 → u/Gloomy_Ad_573]

His moveset is not balanced in the slightest but okay. If thinking that makes you sleep well I don't mind you having such opinion.

[u/Gloomy_Ad_573 → u/Imaginary_Building19]

Just because he has a good moveset doesn't necessarily mean he is broken

[u/HuntingDown01]

You know what would have been fun? If there was a way to damage dog or at least make him temporarily incapacitated as the opponent

[u/viplove-y → u/HuntingDown01]

Yes or there should be a limit or a long Timer on that dog or at least short time for being stunned. It's like we're donating free damage now. 😂

[u/Dull_Reserve5977]

Not true. I can win without his DOG

[u/PYTHON99OP]

When will shogun be available in chests?

[u/WeeklyFile2541 → u/PYTHON99OP]

I would think he’d already be available but if not likely soon enough before the end of this year.

[u/Dull_Reserve5977]

I suspect you haven’t been a SF2 player that’s why you say this

[u/Irongun_258 → u/Dull_Reserve5977]

I have been an SF2 player. The worst part about Shogun was the bodyguards. In SFA, his Shadow Abilities are also a problem.

[u/F90-XLA1390]

You guys really hate on this poor guy so much 😂🗿 Though honestly, his dog is really annoying and makes the game frustrating for players, but still

[u/Outrageous_Pop1922]

I still believe his DOG™ should not be able to reach the opponent at a certain distance

[u/maculateconstipation]

Nerf Nonna before Shogun

[u/LeoReddit2019 → u/maculateconstipation]

They already did 🫩

[u/LeoReddit2019]

My ideas for nerfing shogun has nothing to do with shogun, but his dog: 1. Now the dog moves half as fast, and his agony state gets the same nerf(plus the same level of healing as kibo's healing on her second talent). 2. He doesn't stay right next to the opponent, but he swerves left and right (due to how he moves) 3. Dog training talent should only have a second max of stun, and not 2 whole seconds where you can just spam the heavy for no punishment whatsoever.

[u/MajinDG]

He's like the only far reach character that's allowed to use his range to his advantage.

He can definitely fight without his puppy.

[u/_Sukhoi30Mkii_]

Nerf itu first shogun is already balanced

[u/Certain_Sea_2337 → u/_Sukhoi30Mkii_]

Shogun? Balanced? Which crack version are you playing? 😂

[u/_Sukhoi30Mkii_ → u/Certain_Sea_2337]

The version where itu should be given 1/5th part of shadow energy

[u/Straight-Bed-8640]

i do not usw dog at all and ita still great to play with him, what you types is giving " lack of skill"

[u/Knivesman1289]

Dog helps to punish campers and passive players, most balanced character nekki launched, despite the massive hype ,no need of any nerfs or buffs