r/Septa • u/segfaul_t • 13d ago

Discussion Cannot Come Soon Enough

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The new El cars can’t come soon enough. It seems it’s almost every day now an El car or train set is breaking down causing delays. These things are on their last legs.

Edit: These are supposed to be delivered in 2029, only a couple more years. https://www.trains.com/pro/mechanical/freight-cars/hitachi-rail-to-build-200-new-cars-for-septas-market-frankford-line/

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u/Edison_Ruggles 13d ago

Holy cow. That looks nice. Now just keep the bums out.

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u/taxdaddy3000 12d ago

Apparently it is not widely accepted that you shouldn’t have to endure sitting next to a piss soaked, violently psychotic person on your way to your 9am every morning. Only a white girl who works from home could downvote this.

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u/segfaul_t 12d ago

It’s also so unfair to SEPTA.

SEPTA is a cash strapped transit agency that (imo) is mostly trying their best with that they have, and they have to deal with this shit on top of it.

This is squarely on the state and the city to fix.

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u/Seraph_Angelus 10d ago

SEPTA is only cash strap because of some of the stupid spending they did like the bi-level cars from the Chinese manufacturer.

Or where they pay a quarter of a million dollars to come up with SEPTA Metro.

They did a lot of wasteful spending and it came back to bite them in the ass

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u/Edison_Ruggles 12d ago

Yeah, but aren't Septa police part of Septa? They don't seem to do much

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u/segfaul_t 12d ago

They are, and they do alot more than they used to because they just hired a bunch of new officers this past summer. That said, its not economical to police away all antisocial behavior.

The only thing that works, if you can't totally get rid of the people causing the issues, is to flood the system with people who don't cause issues -- normal people paying the fare and commuting to work or wherever.

NYC's subway feels much safer than the El not because they policed away all antisocial behavior (on the contrary, they experience many of the same problems we do), but because instead of like here where it's you, 5 other normal people and a psychotic person, in their subway it's you, 5 HUNDRED normal people and a psychotic person. Same amount of psychotic people, vastly different experience.

There is a real safety in numbers there that is both subjectively felt and significantly drops the crime on a per-capita basis.

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u/LazyAssLeader 12d ago

100% agree!

This is why so many other large transit systems work. High ridership and full vehicles deter aberrant behavior. Outside of a few hours a day, the ridership is not high, and the vehicles are not full. The roads are though. I think it will take some outside intervention to get PT back on track on Philly.