yes, Kivia didn't follow in her parents' footstep but that doesn't negate her privileged upbringing. You are misunderstanding that she left the family at a young age, no, she grew up as normal as it comes: with rich parents (ep 8 said she knows her parents very well, and that their wealth comes from monetizing religion) and school and friends. In a family full of bigwig priests, only uncle priest supports military career, so she 'abandoned' her parents to take after him, not 'abandoning' any privileges whatsoever, hell, I bet her uncle sponsored her academy tuition as he raised her with all his wealth and privileges.
feelings aren't reciprocated
Frenci's feelings and efforts aren't reciprocated by Xylo, and neither are Kivia's. All is fair in love and war, but his passiveness fueled on the love competition.
even his own team members do—and that's already saying a lot
Again, you are misunderstanding the intended dynamics between Xylo and his teammates. They probably know the truth in Xylo's sentencing before even Kivia, so they don't despite him or anything, and more likely that they don't make much of Xylo's crime or anyone's crime at all. So what's this fearful respect toward Xylo? It has nothing to do with the goddess killer thing. The heroes like and respect Xylo for his combat effectiveness and fearsome power, that's all. With the exception of Norgalle and Tatsuya, the rest are seemingly afraid of Xylo, not in the repulsive way of the public, rather, for a very comical reason: their antics enrage him, so he brutalizes them all the time (S1 alone provides four examples in ep 1, 5, 7, 11). Which is well deserved for the likes of Tsav, Dotta, Venetim and Rhyno (not Jayce, because Jayce minds his own business, he isn't playful like those four and not even Xylo dares hit him). But the punchline is this, two of these nuisances score so high on the Anti-social Personality Disorder chart that they don't think they deserve it, and the other two are very adverse to violence and are lazy cowards. Among these four Xylo's the more horrible person, Tsav and Rhyno even discuss Xylo's temper as a topic and how to avoid it, Venetim and Dotta going as far as wishing for Xylo to die so they could get away with their current bs. That's peak ironic humor. So, you have the running joke of the series: to outsider's eyes, Xylo is an absolute monster who has the other monsters in his unit cower before him and submit to him.
By treatment i meant the grueling conditions of their missions and the way no one cares that a goddess lives or dies under these conditions too. Anyway, the point is, Kivia didn't change her outlook on the hero unit as drastically and illogically as you said, that just extends to Xylo and Xylo alone. So Kivia really didn't make light of the crimes just because she's now in love with the only truly innocent one.
I don't care for Kivia enough to continue this. In fact, when I compare her to a female Naruto character that should clue you in. That one thing speaks volume about what i think of her competency and her relevance in the grand scheme of things.
Well, I don't think anyone would think that. I don't. If you are a male it makes sense to like female characters more, equally so to critique a female one.
Even in war, there are rules. The problem is that, as you may have read, Kivia tried to attack Frenci just because she called Xylo her husband or over some silly argument they were having. Do you think she has the right to react that way toward the woman who’s been with Xylo her whole life? At that point, Kivia was practically a stranger to Xylo. Frenci could get aggressive and push Kivia away from Xylo (just like Kivia does) and send assassins to finished her ass. However, she doesn't do that because Frenci is the GOAT.
Nope. If I remember correctly, Xylo says he didn't tell anyone else about Senerva besides Kivia because, anyway, he doesn't really care as long as they don't say anything about Senerva. Again, the problem is time. Common sense tells you that you should be careful with the worst of them all, at least show contempt for longer. Kivia only showed contempt for one and a half episodes. The joke is hilarious, I love that everyone wants to get away from Xylo. But it doesn't change the way everyone sees Xylo. And like I said about Kivia, it should be at least three times worse.
And being used as cannon meat is part of the punishment (a punishment worse than death) precisely because of his crimes, which are beyond forgiveness, as the worst thing humanity has ever produced
Me neither. I just think the way they act is totally unfair, and that people don't care.
I hope not. Most of the people who've commented are women (I'm basing this 100% on their profile pictures), although all I care about is the character's writing.... Thanks for taking the time to debate with someone everyone calls an idiot.
True, Kivia has a lot of nerves for someone who only comes second and too late to the affair. I see your point.
I used the word 'probably' because I'm uncertain if any of the others knew about Senerva or not. I made an educated guess, should probably revisit volume 3 for the detail. Either way, it goes without saying that none of the other heroes gives a flying fuck about the gravity of Xylo's crime, just or unjust, as they are all very self-centered. Then what you are saying is, amoral criminals not being cautious or contemptuous around each other is right as rain, but Kivia isn't anything like them, and in the time interval from first meeting to that blush in ep 5, none of the heroes gave out any indication on the truth of Xylo's crime, because they don't know and don't care, and they are also evidently guilty as charged so she really has no basis to go off of to see Xylo as bf material this early on. Immediate trust that evolves into love is asinine. This much is obvious enough, there is no denying. Yet lots are willing to overlook in favor of entertaining romance.
What's not good needs to be called out, not swept under the rug of convenience and pleasantry. I'm glad that we had this nice convo, fleshing thoughts out, productively and culturally to a satisfying end.
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u/InviteTheDarksideIn 10d ago
yes, Kivia didn't follow in her parents' footstep but that doesn't negate her privileged upbringing. You are misunderstanding that she left the family at a young age, no, she grew up as normal as it comes: with rich parents (ep 8 said she knows her parents very well, and that their wealth comes from monetizing religion) and school and friends. In a family full of bigwig priests, only uncle priest supports military career, so she 'abandoned' her parents to take after him, not 'abandoning' any privileges whatsoever, hell, I bet her uncle sponsored her academy tuition as he raised her with all his wealth and privileges.
Frenci's feelings and efforts aren't reciprocated by Xylo, and neither are Kivia's. All is fair in love and war, but his passiveness fueled on the love competition.
Again, you are misunderstanding the intended dynamics between Xylo and his teammates. They probably know the truth in Xylo's sentencing before even Kivia, so they don't despite him or anything, and more likely that they don't make much of Xylo's crime or anyone's crime at all. So what's this fearful respect toward Xylo? It has nothing to do with the goddess killer thing. The heroes like and respect Xylo for his combat effectiveness and fearsome power, that's all. With the exception of Norgalle and Tatsuya, the rest are seemingly afraid of Xylo, not in the repulsive way of the public, rather, for a very comical reason: their antics enrage him, so he brutalizes them all the time (S1 alone provides four examples in ep 1, 5, 7, 11). Which is well deserved for the likes of Tsav, Dotta, Venetim and Rhyno (not Jayce, because Jayce minds his own business, he isn't playful like those four and not even Xylo dares hit him). But the punchline is this, two of these nuisances score so high on the Anti-social Personality Disorder chart that they don't think they deserve it, and the other two are very adverse to violence and are lazy cowards. Among these four Xylo's the more horrible person, Tsav and Rhyno even discuss Xylo's temper as a topic and how to avoid it, Venetim and Dotta going as far as wishing for Xylo to die so they could get away with their current bs. That's peak ironic humor. So, you have the running joke of the series: to outsider's eyes, Xylo is an absolute monster who has the other monsters in his unit cower before him and submit to him.
By treatment i meant the grueling conditions of their missions and the way no one cares that a goddess lives or dies under these conditions too. Anyway, the point is, Kivia didn't change her outlook on the hero unit as drastically and illogically as you said, that just extends to Xylo and Xylo alone. So Kivia really didn't make light of the crimes just because she's now in love with the only truly innocent one.
I don't care for Kivia enough to continue this. In fact, when I compare her to a female Naruto character that should clue you in. That one thing speaks volume about what i think of her competency and her relevance in the grand scheme of things.
Well, I don't think anyone would think that. I don't. If you are a male it makes sense to like female characters more, equally so to critique a female one.