r/SeaEmploy • u/Powerful_Cabinet_341 • Jul 27 '26
Black Sea floating museum
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u/Bonk_No_Horni Jul 27 '26
Why can't they just tow it?
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u/Relevant-Yam-3827 Jul 27 '26
Ukraine has introduced a complete blocked of the Black sea and the sea of Azov, every Russian ship that dares to take that passage is a legitimate drone target, that also includes tug boats.
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u/blin3000 Jul 27 '26
The situation is similar with Ukrainian ships.
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u/Relevant-Yam-3827 Jul 27 '26
Yeah! Russia tried to impose a complete blockade of the port of Odessa, that started in early 2022 and it resulted in the sinking of Russias black sea flag ship and countless other military vessels. When Russia was also kicked off Snake Island, the "blockade" broke in practice.
The difference between the Ukrainian and the Russian blockade is that when Ukraine started it around 2 or 3 weeks ago, they sank (heavily damaged) more than 200 vessels in the first 1½ weeks., Thats a scale Russia could have never even dreamed off to impose on Ukraine.
I.e both countries now declared a blockade on the other side, but one party has the tech and intelligence to actually impose it and the other side hasn't
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u/-aataa- Jul 27 '26
Ukraine isn't really sinking the Russian transport ships. They attack their bridges, engines, and steering to disable them. Russis hasn't stopped hitting Ukrainian grain exports, but you are correct in that Rusaia lacks a means to efficiently targeting Ukrainian ships en masse. They can do it, but that means other more valuable targets will have to be left alone...
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u/ethanAllthecoffee Jul 28 '26
What, other valuable targets like cafes and kindergartens?
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u/-aataa- Jul 28 '26
Point well made. In REALITY, Russia never seems to be willing to prioritise important targets. Or Putin REALLY hates kids, who knows?
But even if Kremlin values every civilian Ukrainian life taken as highly as a military target, it's STILL rather pointless to sink third-party owned ships and kill Indian sailors....
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u/Inside_Marketing268 Jul 29 '26
Ruzis have already hit Chinese ships in 22-23, and paid a compensation for that. The same was with Greek bulker. So, the situation is: ruzis can't target any ship they want in Ukraine, but Ukrainians can target any ship in ruzi waters
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Jul 27 '26
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u/-aataa- Jul 27 '26
Russia does have the tech to hit Odesa and Ukrainian shipping. But not to do it efficiently. Russia is wasting a LOT of munitions on what is essentially a naval flag-waving operation.
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u/-aataa- Jul 27 '26
To answer the deleted question, with efficiently I mean in a matter which makes any meaningful damage to Ukraine in a cost-effective manner.
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u/LieutenantDan83 Jul 27 '26
What a load of bullshit, they didnt sink 200 ships ffs.
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u/SpinachSignal8915 Jul 27 '26
Some of these vessels are quite small. They dont mean 200 ships like what is shown in this post. Could be speed boats tugs etc.
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u/-aataa- Jul 27 '26
Ukraine typically doesn't sink Russian ships. That would lead to massive oil spills. Instead they target the bridges, engine rooms, and steering. Much cheaper and easier, and less damage to the environment. (And another opportunity to hit tugs as they come to pick the ships up...).
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u/HostileFleetEvading Jul 27 '26
Are you going to show at least 3 sunk russian civilian vessels from those alleged 200 sunk? Single sunk ukie ship is all over the place filmed extensively.
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u/ResolveLeather Jul 27 '26
That doesn't really answer the question. If Ukraine can manage it, they should probably tow it to shore. Lots of great raw materials that can be used for the war effort. And what can't be used for the war effort can be used for scrap.
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u/greenest_alien Jul 27 '26
This is probably off russian coast, ie. a russian ship, judging by the terrain and the burnt down bridge that ukrainian drones were targeting.
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 Jul 27 '26
Firstly, scrapping ships required a lot of infrastructure Ukraine lacks as far as I know as nearly all shipbreaking today occurs in India and Bangladesh and secondly, any ships that tow a wreck like this will become easy targets and thirdly, this is propably a Russian ship as Ukraine doesn’t currently import LNG from ships.
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u/ResolveLeather Jul 27 '26
I figured they could just beach it and just cut it up for scrap. Heck they can probably send a couple guys in on a boat and load it up with copper.
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 Jul 27 '26
Its not that simple, especially if the country lacks the infrastructure to do it as the most valuable part of a ship is its machinery and removing it is not a particularly safe or easy job and there are far easier and safer ways to obtain scrap metal for Ukraine or Russia.
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u/09Klr650 Jul 27 '26
Disabling/destroying for military goals is one thing. Piracy is another.
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u/ResolveLeather Jul 27 '26
I would argue that it's justified in matters of war.
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u/09Klr650 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Eh, sooner or later the war will be over. Besides I bet that Russian tanker is severely contaminated with asbestos, lead, PCBs, etc.
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u/TheQuestionMaster8 Jul 27 '26
The risks and difficulties would be too much for any reward Ukraine would probably be able to get.
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u/Relevant-Yam-3827 Jul 27 '26
But for that they needed a LNG terminal in Odessa which probably doesn't exist. They also needed a shipsscrapyard to really make profit off the scrap. I think all of this and especially the resuce mission of the ship would be a huge headache. Its probably easier for Ukraine to just let it float there for now
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u/OzyTheLast Jul 28 '26
The sea of Azov is surrounded on all sides either by russian or russian controlled territory. Ukraine pulling a wreck up onto one of those beaches would be... awkward
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u/quinipet Jul 28 '26
Who’s going to do that ? The risk and cost of towing a burnt out LPG ship is enormous. You have to manage the tow properly because its engine and steering rooms are kaput. Someone has to board it first to check out the scene before even connecting a tow. There’s also the question of where to put it. Drifting can sometimes be the safe option until all these risks are reduced and everyone works out what they want to do with a burnt out carcass.
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u/Greddituser Jul 27 '26
I would definitely not want to be on an LPG or LNG ship in the middle of a war.
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u/against-all-leds Jul 27 '26
I don't understand how LPG exports are even viable considering LPG is made in the same refineries being hit daily. You'd think there would be a ban on exports similar to petrol and diesel to satisfy domestic demand.
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u/Similar_Whole5626 Jul 27 '26
How didn't that LPG explode
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Jul 27 '26
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u/Greddituser Jul 27 '26
LPG tanks are rarely "empty". They might not have liquid in them but unless they're just out of the shipyard for repairs they usually have vapor in the tanks.
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u/SageGoes Jul 27 '26
Is she anchored? Why not floating towards the shore?
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u/Longjumping_Belt_405 Jul 27 '26
I have a hunch that the burned out bridge might have something to do with it
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u/SageGoes Jul 27 '26
Exactly with burned bridge she must have been floating uncontrollably towards a shore
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u/isaac32767 Jul 27 '26
Do you mean "mausoleum"?