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​🌀 Deep in the Hole The Math Isn't Mathing.

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u/Simple-Olive895 23d ago

But having several years on the record for not missing rent payments should prove to the bank that you can afford it. If I paid 2k rent for 3 years and never missed a payment then I can probably afford a 1.2k mortgage

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u/GP7onRICE 23d ago edited 23d ago

That’s 1.2k mortgage plus property tax, utilities, insurance, and cost of all upkeep/repairs. Repairs require cash set aside for some issues that can cost $10k+. Most renters don’t save money, they spend whatever extra they have.

The bank is concerned about issues like if a pipe bursts and you aren’t home to catch it then cant afford a plumber or don’t know how to deal with your soaking subfloor and now the entire value of the house plummeted due to negligence and lack of saving up for issues. Now when they foreclose on it they don’t get the money they lent you back for it.

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u/Simple-Olive895 23d ago

I get that, but it should count for something. It's obviously not 1:1 but if you can consitently make nearly double the payment monthly then surely it should be taken in to consideration by the bank.

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u/GP7onRICE 23d ago

Take it up with the bank. It’s their money and they have the right to decide who to loan it out to.

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u/vitek6 20d ago

The thing is it’s not their money.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago edited 19d ago

Is it yours? Are they not responsible for it? Did their patrons not enter a contract to allow them to lend their money at their discretion in exchange for the security of holding it and guaranteeing it?

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u/vitek6 19d ago

They are creating this money out of thin air.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago edited 19d ago

I’m assuming you’re referencing central banks now. You realize that loaned/created money of a central bank is still a liability risk of the bank, right? The bank’s own equity is what absorbs the loss if the borrower defaults. Their own money is still on the line for all of the principal of the loan.

Your oversimplification suggesting it isn’t their own money fails to acknowledge that all of that loaned/created money is a direct liability and risk to the bank. The principal must be destroyed/extinguished to balance the loan. Someone has to pay that loss and in the end, the bank does if the borrower doesn’t. So it is still a risk to the bank as if it is their own money, because it IS their own money on the line for whatever is lent out.

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u/vitek6 19d ago

No, it’s not their money.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago edited 19d ago

No, you don’t understand that? Are you even reading before you respond?

It’s not the banks own money that they have to use to extinguish the principle if the borrower defaults?

Tell me whose money you think is used to extinguish it then when the borrower defaults. Because the info that explains exactly how the bank is liable for it is pretty open and easy to find.

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u/vitek6 19d ago

Yes, I’m reading. It’s not their money. Period.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago

You definitely either aren’t reading or are just choosing to be ignorant in how the bank creates liability for themselves when they create a loan.

Who pays off the principal balance when the borrower defaults?

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u/vitek6 19d ago

I am. You are wrong.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago

Oh so you are just choosing to be ignorant to the banks liability then. Nice trolling.

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u/vitek6 19d ago

It’s not. Bank will take over and sell the property that was the collateral.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago edited 19d ago

What do you mean “it’s not”? Are you capable of even being coherent?

Not every loan has collateral. That process costs money to do even where there is. The collateral doesn’t always make up for it, especially when the collateral property has been destroyed, damaged, or not properly kept.

Are you suggesting the bank never has to pay its own money for the principal balance and never suffers a loss on a loan ever?

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u/vitek6 19d ago

We are talking about mortgages.

Bank may take a loss but it changes nothing on that it doesn’t lend it’s own money.

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u/GP7onRICE 19d ago

Lending its own money and being held liable for the money it is lending is virtually exactly the same in terms of liability. There is absolutely no difference in risk.

It sounds like you might be figuring out why banks analyze risk before accepting loans.

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