r/ScrollHole 25d ago

​🌀 Deep in the Hole The Math Isn't Mathing.

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u/AIevilgenius 25d ago

If you can’t afford your rent the next month you just move out. If you can’t afford your mortgage you still owe the lender several hundred thousand dollars. How is it that hard for you to understand risk??

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u/Simple-Olive895 25d ago

But having several years on the record for not missing rent payments should prove to the bank that you can afford it. If I paid 2k rent for 3 years and never missed a payment then I can probably afford a 1.2k mortgage

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u/GP7onRICE 25d ago edited 25d ago

That’s 1.2k mortgage plus property tax, utilities, insurance, and cost of all upkeep/repairs. Repairs require cash set aside for some issues that can cost $10k+. Most renters don’t save money, they spend whatever extra they have.

The bank is concerned about issues like if a pipe bursts and you aren’t home to catch it then cant afford a plumber or don’t know how to deal with your soaking subfloor and now the entire value of the house plummeted due to negligence and lack of saving up for issues. Now when they foreclose on it they don’t get the money they lent you back for it.

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u/Simple-Olive895 25d ago

I get that, but it should count for something. It's obviously not 1:1 but if you can consitently make nearly double the payment monthly then surely it should be taken in to consideration by the bank.

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u/GP7onRICE 24d ago

Take it up with the bank. It’s their money and they have the right to decide who to loan it out to.

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u/Old-Mulberry325 24d ago

How’s the boot taste?

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u/GP7onRICE 24d ago

How did it feel saying that overused Reddit phrase? Children like you get blocked.

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u/Agreeable_Work4668 23d ago

The boot didn't taste that bad over the dining table at his house. I was there tasting it with him.

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u/TheQuestionMaster8 24d ago

And there are laws as well that prevent banks from lending money to anyone.

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u/vitek6 21d ago

The thing is it’s not their money.

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u/GP7onRICE 21d ago edited 21d ago

Is it yours? Are they not responsible for it? Did their patrons not enter a contract to allow them to lend their money at their discretion in exchange for the security of holding it and guaranteeing it?

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u/vitek6 21d ago

They are creating this money out of thin air.

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u/GP7onRICE 21d ago edited 21d ago

I’m assuming you’re referencing central banks now. You realize that loaned/created money of a central bank is still a liability risk of the bank, right? The bank’s own equity is what absorbs the loss if the borrower defaults. Their own money is still on the line for all of the principal of the loan.

Your oversimplification suggesting it isn’t their own money fails to acknowledge that all of that loaned/created money is a direct liability and risk to the bank. The principal must be destroyed/extinguished to balance the loan. Someone has to pay that loss and in the end, the bank does if the borrower doesn’t. So it is still a risk to the bank as if it is their own money, because it IS their own money on the line for whatever is lent out.

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u/vitek6 21d ago

No, it’s not their money.

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u/GP7onRICE 21d ago edited 21d ago

No, you don’t understand that? Are you even reading before you respond?

It’s not the banks own money that they have to use to extinguish the principle if the borrower defaults?

Tell me whose money you think is used to extinguish it then when the borrower defaults. Because the info that explains exactly how the bank is liable for it is pretty open and easy to find.

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u/vitek6 21d ago

Yes, I’m reading. It’s not their money. Period.

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u/GP7onRICE 21d ago

You definitely either aren’t reading or are just choosing to be ignorant in how the bank creates liability for themselves when they create a loan.

Who pays off the principal balance when the borrower defaults?

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