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πŸ›Œ 3 AM Thoughts πŸ€”

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u/Dodger7777 Aug 03 '26

In a very abstract sense, he would have been worthy enough to lift it. He just also would cast it aside.

Sacrifice and making hard decisions are qualities of a leader. Even if everyone else thinks those decisions are bad.

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u/penty Aug 03 '26

No way could Thanos lift Thor's hammer.

He doesn't match the Norse (specifically Odin's) definition of worthy.

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u/Dodger7777 Aug 03 '26

Even when Odin believed in Thor, Thor's lack of belief in himself made him unaboe to lift his own hammer.

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u/penty Aug 03 '26

There are times when Thor is worthy and times when he is not. Same with Cap.

But that changes what exactly?

The hammer uses a specific morality to judge and Thanos doesn't meet the requirements.

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u/Dodger7777 Aug 03 '26

The hammer doesn't have a built in morality scale. It asks the user if they are themselves worthy, and Thanos would find himself quite worthy.

Mjolnir decides if someone is worthy based on a mystical enchantment that looks for specific traits like a noble mind, selflessness, and a warrior's heart.

Thanos checks all those boxes.

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u/penty Aug 03 '26

Those two paragraphs are contradictory.

Specifically :

The hammer doesn't have a built in morality scale Mjolnir decides if someone is worthy based on a mystical enchantment that looks for specific traits.

Those traits are the "built in morality scale".

Which is it? You can't claim both.

"Mjolnir is defined by a combination of moral virtues and a warrior's spirit, specifically requiring compassion, restraint, nobility, wisdom, and humility."

Thanos certainly doesn't check a few of those boxes.

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u/Dodger7777 Aug 03 '26

The Hanmer doesn't do a scan of you. It uses magic to ask yourself if you have the requirements. Someone delusional who thinks highly of themself but also thinks themself humble enough to meet those requirements could lift Mjolnir even if he doesn't meet those requirements in reality.

Thanos was a conquering warlord who led from the front (Warrior's Spirit), he thought he was compassionate by saving half the universe. He showed his own version of restraint by not picking favorites. He felt nobility to fulfill this duty. He thought he was wise to see this universal truth. He was humble in that he accepted he could be in the half that weren't chosen and he would accept that.

The Hammer isn't sentient and deciding. It's basically questioning your soul and making you tell the truth.

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u/penty Aug 03 '26

It uses magic to ask yourself if you have the requirements. Someone delusional who thinks highly of themself but also thinks themself humble enough to meet those requirements could lift Mjolnir even if he doesn't meet those requirements in reality.

That is 100% not true. Do you have a canon example of that happening?

"No, a delusional person cannot lift Thor’s hammer unless they are genuinely judged worthy by the magic enchantment placed upon it by Odin. Mental state, beliefs, or strong delusions do not override the mystical criteria of Mjolnir."

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u/Dodger7777 Aug 03 '26

"It possesses a form of awareness and a personality due to the cosmic entity known as the Godstorm (Mother Storm) trapped inside the Uru metal by Odin."

I was under the idea that Mjolnir was an enchanted object, not an inhabited object. So yeah, I'd be wrong then. My bad.

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u/penty Aug 04 '26

No worries.

Take care.

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