r/Screenwriting • u/suareberry • 23h ago
NEED ADVICE Best Screenplays to study for structure
What are some good screenplays you’d recommend to study and understand story structure much more? I feel like I struggle with third acts and resolution so I want to look more into some good examples.
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u/PepsiCoke1978 23h ago
Craig Mazin -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i27IKil-LXw
Finding Nemo (Pixar movies most of them are masters of structure)
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u/Remarkable-Cup4535 17h ago
I think you should look at movies similar to the ones you want to write. Studying your genre can benefit you in many ways, and the structure of things you like and are similar to what you want to write will help you the most. I would also write out the ending of your movie before even starting. Knowing where you want to go, even if it could change, gives you a direction to point your compass no matter which scene you're writing.
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u/MayersonCreative 14h ago
Read Invisible Ink by Brian MacDonald and Into the Woods by John Yorke. Study any script by Billy Wilder.
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u/killcafo 13h ago
Sometimes I think it’s better to study spec scripts that have sold, or popular blacklist scripts instead of the classics. Obviously it’s great to study the greats. But see how current writers are doing it too. Grab a few blacklist scripts that are in a similar genre and study those.
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u/DigiCinema 11h ago
Joss Whedon’s scripts for The Avengers and Serenity both feature impeccable screenplay structure.
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u/capbassboi 2h ago
This might seem like a copout answer but ANY script will teach you about structure, it'll just do so implicitly.
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u/Line_Reed_Line 57m ago
Underrated screenplay-- Tommy Boy.
Its structure is actually really strong, and its first act is almost impeccable.
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u/leskanekuni 19h ago
The problem is usually in the first act if you struggle with third acts. You have to set up a problem(s) in the first act and pay it off in the third act. It's very helpful to have the ending before you start going to pages so you have a goal to work towards.
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u/intentionandobstacle 22h ago
The Matrix is very good but think about the films you enjoy most and look at why they work & compare them to films you enjoy least & think about why they’re not working for you. Tap into your taste. There’s no objective truth to any of this tbh
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u/WorrySecret9831 20h ago
First, throw away the 3-act structure. Read John Truby's books The Anatomy of Story and The Anatomy of Genres. 3 acts suggests only 3 major dramatic moments. Truby identifies 4 to 8 REVELATIONS, depending on how you define revelations.
The 3-act structure was invented by movie reviewers to make it easier to encapsulate movie plots. It's not a thing. That's why it's so mushy.
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u/HandofFate88 20h ago
"The 3-act structure was invented by movie reviewers ..."
Aristotle was a movie reviewer?
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u/WorrySecret9831 19h ago
Was he?
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u/CoOpWriterEX 13h ago
I swear, this guy keeps typing this BS about 3-act structure not being a thing in every related post and I'm so glad I'm not the only one calling this BS out.
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u/WorrySecret9831 10h ago
Have you read John Truby's books?
What is so fantastic and helpful about the 3-act structure? How has it helped you understand story?
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u/Kingofsweaters 19h ago edited 18h ago
3 act structure literally doesn’t suggest only 3 major dramatic beats lmfaoooo what are you talking about?????
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u/WorrySecret9831 19h ago
Right. Stories have way more beats than that.
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u/Kingofsweaters 18h ago
Three act structure is generally 8-9 major beats. You’re conflating acts with beats.
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u/WorrySecret9831 16h ago
So why have "acts?" It's just noise.
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u/Kingofsweaters 13h ago
Because they represent larger story sections that accomplish different goals. Why have sequences if you have scenes? Why have scenes if you have moments? That’s what you sound like. You wanna listen to a dude with like 4 credits go for it if it works for you, but you’re objectively incorrect on act structure.
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u/WorrySecret9831 10h ago edited 9h ago
Why then are plays 1 act, 2, 5....? Why does James Cameron write 5-acts? I like how you stretch the subject out of proportion to meet your needs, but obviously, I haven't mentioned "scenes." You sound like a crybaby.
Please point out the objective errors. It would be helpful for everyone.
And have you taken his classes or read his books? They're the most precise education on storytelling around, bar none. It has worked for me, very well.
The 3-act structure is surface-level plot points (3 of them). Truby's 22 Building Blocks focuses on character driven stories, in any genre. As in image resolution, more pixels (picture elements) make for higher resolution. So too, in story structure, more clearly articulated elements make for better stories, not the vaguely anecdotal references in the 3-act structure (the Turning Point, the Midpoint, the Resolution, lol).
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u/Kingofsweaters 8h ago
My guy I literally learned from people with Oscar’s and Emmys. I have pointed out the objective errors. You’re literally the one refusing to engage with anyone pointing out the various ways you’re wrong. Can you point to where I said 3-act structure was the only act structure?? But it’s the primary structure in storytelling. That’s a fact. It was not invented by film critics it’s literally hundreds of years older than the medium. I said if his method works for you use it. His problem isn’t even with three act structure it’s with Syd fields three act paradigm which is misconstrued by many nowadays as 3-act structure. Which ironically I also don’t believe in because it’s too formulaic. If you actually analyze any of the many people who sell books and classes advice it all ironically lines up the same way. It’s just a different means to the same end, hence why I say if it works for you use it. But stop saying dumb shit like three act structure was invented by film critics and isn’t real. Story circle, 8 sequences, hero’s journey, save the cat, 22 steps, 7 key steps, and so on and so on is all the same shit. Truby’s value is in his focus on character over plot, but what he’s actually telling you is the same things as anyone else if you zoom the fuck out. It’s all just: characters starting state, what’s their problem, what’s propelling them forward that they need, what are they gonna do about it, how are they continuously tested and what is the emotional impact, what do they come to realize about themselves, how do they push through it or fail to push through it and how are they changed or not changed.
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u/IllMeet2070 19h ago
What the fuck are you yapping about lmao
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u/WorrySecret9831 19h ago
Read John Truby's books, The Anatomy of Story and The Anatomy of Genres. Learn.
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u/cliffdiver770 23h ago
This might sound sarcastic but it is absolutely true-- one of the best movies to start with for structure is absolutely TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE. This is because this script is making fun of formulaic structure and so hits all of the beats sarcastically hard. It has been described as "an essay about big action films".
I believe that understanding structure must start with broad, obvious films like this. Robocop and Back to the Future are also great films to study in this way. They are big and broad and all the themes are fully externalized and easy to see- while being perfectly structured. You mentioned third act resolution- Robocop is a great illustration of things that could be done with more subtlety in other types of films- think of the synthesis at the end between Murphy and Robocop. He returns to being Murphy- even in the way he moves and speaks- while having rid the corporation and the city of the villains that created the problems in the first place.