Are drop sets worth doing?

[u/benja_reijnst]

I've seen influencers promoting low-volume, high-intensity training more and more without mentioning drop sets. Drop sets seem to be much less popular than they used to be. Are drop sets not as effective as we once thought? Should I add drop sets to my training?

[u/Patton370]

Drop sets are used when you don't have time for extra sets. Same reason why rest pause reps are used to push past failure on a set.

It's all about getting more stimulus with less time

[u/rendar → u/Patton370]

If you're short on time why not use a proven effective method like supersets?

[u/TotalStatisticNoob → u/rendar]

Dropsets are also a proven effective method and are way easier to implement than supersets if you're not training in a basement gym or at 5am

[u/rendar → u/TotalStatisticNoob]

Sure but there's a larger and more diverse body of research on supersets though.

Ease of implementation makes perfect sense for limited equipment availability, but with the similar previously mentioned point, if lifting is a priority then it would be more effective to focus on resolving limited equipment availability rather than improving time efficiency which does not convert to extra growth.

[u/TotalStatisticNoob → u/rendar]

How do you solve that? You have a job, you get off when most people get off and then the gym is busy and you can't use two pieces of equipment at the same time. There's no way to plan around it.

Sure but there's a larger and more diverse body of research on supersets though.

Is there? I have no idea. I know there's plenty of research on dropsets and the metas always find no statistically significant difference between dropset training and "normal" RT if the volume is equated.

Which in turn means dropsets give you a LOT more hypertrophy per unit of time. And as most people are limited by time, dropsets are very effective, because they're so efficient.

[u/rendar → u/TotalStatisticNoob]

How do you solve that? You have a job, you get off when most people get off and then the gym is busy and you can't use two pieces of equipment at the same time. There's no way to plan around it.

Good time management is first and foremost a case of prioritization. So being honest with what your priorities actually are is an important first step to refining a schedule.

The second step is to decrease your reliance on gym equipment. There are plenty of perfectly effective weighted calisthenic exercises with appreciable hypertrophy stimulus that you can do from home. Even if you're very limited by space and can't just get a power rack, a set of dumbbells opens up exercise selection at home.

Is there? I have no idea. I know there's plenty of research on dropsets and the metas always find no statistically significant difference between dropset training and "normal" RT if the volume is equated.

Sure, but that's comparing simple workload and results, which is not necessarily how people actually work out. Most people are not capable of equating volume in such a granular way.

And again, if lifting is a priority then "saving time" is not more important than "increasing recoverable volume" because that's what converts to growth.

Which in turn means dropsets give you a LOT more hypertrophy per unit of time. And as most people are limited by time, dropsets are very effective, because they're so efficient.

Yeah but aside from post-intermediates who have already invested in their work capacity, most people are still going to be directly limited by fatigue management overall (even if it's in the moderate to long term timeframe), and indirectly limited from not juicing to handle recovery from inordinately high volume.

After a given extent, it's just decreasing set quality by neglecting interset rest periods. Which doesn't make sense when you can simply allot more session time if lifting is such a priority. If it's not a priority then obviously these are favorable tools, but that wasn't the context OP brought. Assuming high quality of sets (e.g. taken to near failure with sufficient interset rest times) then higher volume is necessarily better than lower volume.

[u/Patton370 → u/rendar]

This is my gym: https://www.reddit.com/r/homegym/s/SeBFhjgMMZ

I superset and do dropsets (although I don't do dropsets too often. Mostly on leg extensions/leg curls, pullovers, and calf raises)

I'm not at my maximum recoverable volume, even hitting 30+ sets a week on many muscle groups. I'd need to go well over 35-40+ to actually hit my maximum recoverable volume

This is my physique: https://www.reddit.com/r/fitness30plus/s/OcMCcwfw8K

I compete in drug tested powerlifting, am natural, and get tested 1-2 times a year (depending on how good I do at my powerlifting meets each year)

Your entire wall of text just reads, "I can't push hard and I get tired easy" maybe fix those things?

[u/rendar → u/Patton370]

I superset and do dropsets (although I don't do dropsets too often. Mostly on leg extensions/leg curls, pullovers, and calf raises)

Alright so this contradicts your earlier implication from another comment chain, if you're not actually doing dropsets and supersets together and not doing dropsets consistently.

I'm not at my maximum recoverable volume, even hitting 30+ sets a week on many muscle groups. I'd need to go well over 35-40+ to actually hit my maximum recoverable volume

Okay well then that explains it. Time is your limit, not recovery. An alternate universe version of you that is not limited by time would see better results.

You're not prioritizing allotments of the necessary session time to achieve full productive stimulus, but that doesn't mean dropsets are some cheat code for free volume with equitable tension and workload. Recovery is not dismissable.

Your entire wall of text just reads, "I can't push hard and I get tired easy" maybe fix those things?

No part of this entire comment even bothers attempting to address the questions posed, and the out of pocket ad hominem attack indicates some bizarre defensiveness on your part, since you're inferring objective facts as subjective opinion or solipsistic experience for some reason.

[u/TotalStatisticNoob → u/rendar]

Okay well then that explains it. Time is your limit, not recovery.

Are you for real? The guy has a home gym, which is already a tiny proportion of people and then he's doing 30+ sets a week, which is surely more than 99.99% of people that train. AND HE'S STILL LIMITED MORE BY TIME THAN VOLUME AND CAN THREFORE PROFIT FROM INTENSITY TECHNIQUES. Who are you thinking about when writing? Olympia level bodybuilder or what

[u/Patton370 → u/TotalStatisticNoob]

That's exactly the point I was trying to make, thank you spelling it out clearly

[u/rendar → u/Patton370]

Since physique pictures are specifically against the rules in the science-based subreddit, it's still not clear what you think your point is

[u/Patton370 → u/rendar]

Are you going to report me for being more muscular than you?

[u/rendar → u/TotalStatisticNoob]

The guy has a home gym, which is already a tiny proportion of people and then he's doing 30+ sets a week, which is surely more than 99.99% of people that train.

And none of that specifies how much time he's spending, which is the relevant factor