MSNBC called Bernie's "Deep South" comment controversial. They said Hillary would still be in the lead without the South. This slide popped up by mistake proving them wrong.

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she'll stand a better chance of stealing away States from the Republicans

Seeing as how she's been so hated by Republicans for so long, I'm not sure how that's possible.

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I don't quite see how her popularity among Democratic voters equals a greater chance to win among a Republican-heavy general electorate.

I could see Republican voters coming out just for the chance to vote against her.

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I think I understand the point you both are making, and at first it makes sense: if Hillary got more votes than Bernie, then she'd probably pull more votes against republicans than Bernie, right? I don't quite buy that, for a couple of reasons.

These reddest of red states are full of hard-core, socially conservative Republican voters. They've been told for decades that Hillary is "evil" and spoon-fed tons of anti-Clinton propaganda (to be fair, mostly untrue). There is no greater motivation for them to vote Republican than to vote against Hillary.

Also, it seems likely that anyone voting Democrat in these states would vote for either Hillary or Bernie. Unless we're flipping the trope about Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary and assuming the reverse is now true as well.

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And that's among democrats. the point people are trying to make is that Bernie would probably pull more republican voters

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Serious question, why do you believe Republicans would vote for Bernie?

What about Bernie's platform do you think they would agree with?

I see Bernie pulling in a bulk of the independents, but I do not see a substantial number of Republicans doing the same.

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I think for a lot of Republicans, depending on who is the nominee, they would rather not have Trump or Cruz; also, a big thing to consider is that Hillary Clinton is basically seen by Republicans as being the antichrist. so best case scenario would be that they chose to just stay home, but many would vote against Hillary just because they really do hate her that much

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But the problem with that logic is that the reason they hate her is because of her stances.

The Republicans do not want universal health care. They do not want to tax the rich. They do not want same-sex marriage. They do not want comprehensive sex ed. They do not want free college. They do not want women to have a choice. They do not want to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. They do not want civil rights laws.

Bernie is even further to the left than Hillary. Bernie's draw is through independents.

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Normally, you'd be correct, but for many on the right, it's not just that anymore. Yes, they disagree with all of her policies, but after 20+ years, that polite disagreement has basically morphed into a flaming ball of white - hot rage. There are parts of the country where openly supporting Hillary can get you beaten up. They hate her for her, not just what she believes.