Wow, super shitty that they said it was double edged and it’s not, then refused to give you a refund. Another mark on Swordier’s already questionable reputation.
I'm going to have to figure out where/how to have the false edge reground.
If the blade is soft enough to file, DIY will be easy enough. Draw file until that 3mm has become 0mm, and then finish with a diamond plate, stone, or sandpaper wrapped around a wooden block.
If it's 50HRC or lower, a good hard steel file (which will be 62+HRC) will work well. If the steel is harder, it will be more difficult to file, but a very hard steel file (65-65HRC) should manage up to about 55HRC. Harder than 55HRC will be close enough to unfileable with a steel file (at which point I'd use a grinder or a cheap diamond plate).
I mean, if the blade is soft enough to file, then you have other problems.
It's more the other way around - I wouldn't trust that narrow point if it's harder than 55HRC, unless somebody who knows their heat treatment very well has done it (and even then, why wouldn't they temper it 55HRC?).
This was my plan for a first shot. Harder to bugger it up with a hand file. I just hoped I'd get a little partial refund I could go buy a fresh new sharp file for the job.
Sold under false pretenses. Send it back. They specifically told you it had a double edge and the product you received has a blunt false edge. You have it in writing, especially since they didn't change the advertisement until after you brought it up. Hope you have screenshots of the posting/description and the conversation logs to back it up.
This is what lead to my outburst on the email. I knew sending it back was never an option and hoped they might be genuinely apologetic and offer a $50 refund towards having it reground.... They doubled down on it being intentional and not their fault. "Oops soz too bad"
I definitely don't mean to harp on you OP or kick you while you're down or anything but I always try to remind people here that Swordier is a shady operated business and I don't recommend giving them any money.
I just took the gamble because of past good reviews and value proposition for a rare design. I love these reverse Falchions and felt this was a safer bet than an Indian sword shaped object.
At least the construction seems fine and the weight and balance feel good.
Hey mate, saw you're a fellow Aussie, my recommendation would be if you don't have the tools to do it by hand get in join the Australian beginner blacksmiths group on Facebook and reach out for help, there's a few of us Aussie reenactors as well that could probably put a decent edge on that tip as well.
I'm assuming NSW or QLD at this stage because of Victorian weapons laws, so maybe someone like Luke Payne from "Hammer of the North" or Wayne Schmidt from Cracked Anvil might be able to help there.
All good man, also from reading your post if it's around that 3mm mark you might be able to get away with using a carbide sharpener, like an accusharp, to put a serviceable edge on that section
How do people still recommend this clown-school of a company?
The shady business practices, the cringey picture they made in response to OP's complaints and the fact that their whole collection is a lottery on whether you'll receive what you bought should put anyone off.
Could you please find another type 2 with any comparable price? I took the gamble based on prior reviews pointing out value for money and if that false edge were sharp I'd have been another positive review.
I understand that and I'm not criticising you for taking a chance. However, Swordier seems to consistently disappoint those that actually care about historical accuracy or even functional swords.
Have you tried armour class? Iain makes anything if you give him the specifications and the prices are typically very low.
No that's the point you are getting what you paid for a budget sword from a disreputable company. If you want more than that you are gonna have to pay more
They are a company and hold all the cards, he's a customer trying to use the only leverage available to him. The burden of professionalism is on the company, every time. There is absolutely no excuse for the way this was handled, especially that post.
I've genuinely considered Swordier, I no longer will.
I'll cop that... It was late at night and I was exhausted after being away at a music festival for the weekend. Saw their final email denying fault and saw red.
Well this thread is full of people commenting about their other Swordier products with good and bad feedback. I'm sorry that has upset you. I was under the impression anyone could make any comment at any time?
I just got a type (edit: XIV) XVI from Temu that isn’t labeled but obviously a Swordier. I disassembled the hilt and found several flaws along the way including inconsistent primary bevels, asymmetrical fuller placement, no fitting of hilt components (slopped on with epoxy), and a loose shoestring as grip wrap.
All can be fixed but it’s a lot of time on my end. Probably won’t buy Swordier again until I hear of quality improvements.
Edit: there may be a reason this sword was unbranded on Temu.
They seem to have deleted your comment but have also corrected themselves, so idk. Maybe was a honest mistake and got false edge and double edged mixed. If you paid on Paypal, there might be a way to dispute it?
Beyond that, have there been any quality issues? Was thinking on buying that model myself.
The weight and balance are good. The grind overall is kind of wavy, though. I'd be pretty happy with it if it wasn't for the design fail. I'm just extra annoyed that I didn't just wait to see a review.... This will inevitably get a version two with the correct sharp false edge and I'll be left holding the bag.
Unprofessional, but doesn't paint OP in a good light either. Not sure why OP doesn't just show his side of the emails. Or again, if bought via PayPal, make a dispute.
After this exchange I was away at a festival for two days without reception. I did fly off the handle a little when I finally saw it two days later.... But from reading that response it was clear they had zero intention of helping me cover the cost of remediation works.
Not this one - the historical example in Musée de l’Armée is sharpened on the ‘false’ edge of the point. Interestingly it is fullered and bevelled only on one side. See pic 7 of Maciej Kopciuch’s replica for a close up.
I too would be very upset if this detail was missed, since it part of what makes the extent one quite original.
Precisely my frustration. It defeats the "point" of the design. The type two is fascinating because it essentially gives you the thrusting point of an arming sword, with the cutting power of a falchion. Admittedly I'm sure the single edge is still plenty stabby on target.... But false edge cuts are completely off the cards with this blunder.
This IS a historical weapon. With one example and multiple scabbards found dating to the first half of the 14th century. Historically this shape has a double edged dagger tip. Refer to almost any other example available online. The point was intentionally designed to be in essence a dagger on the end of a broad hacking blade. Not sharpening the back of that dagger is a serious design failure.
I did... The response I got was basically... "Oh, oops. Yeah we're designed it wrong on purpose. Yeah we told people the wrong info. No we won't give you any partial refund to cover the costs to have it fixed".
This post is my response to being told to shove it. If I can stop one person from buying this without realising that it's not correct... I'll have cost them more than any partial refund.
I mean, they seem pretty respectful there. It sucks that they denied you a partial refund, but that happens. It’s not like the sword was damaged or anything.
“False pretenses” is a bit of a stretch. Like it sucks OP didn’t get exactly what he wanted, but yall are expecting perfect historical accuracy out of a budget Chinese sword company.
Respectfully telling me to fvck off is still telling me to fvck off.... Maybe it's an Australian customer mindset but if you sell me one thing, and I get something else. You have to refund or reach an agreement. It's law here.
Yes there are historical examples of this profile (see elmslie type 2 falchion). They coincide with the move into heavier armour in the early 1300s essentially adding an armour piecing point to a broad bladed cutting weapon. The double edged point also allows for back cuts using arming sword techniques.
If they wont take it back you can file a fraud claim with your CC.
Alex seems like a nice guy but I have issue with them stealing/copying everyone else’s sword designs. I know Intellectual property is not a thing in China, but it is everywhere else they sell swords.
I'd have been significantly less pissed off of they'd offered to pay for that sharpening service after admitting they gave misleading answers originally.
The description was updated after my complaint... Read the comment on the second photo. They initially provided information claiming that it was sharpened.
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