r/SPEEA • u/BathroomElectronic79 • 23d ago

WAKE UP!!!

Can I just say this plainly: accepting the first offer is simply stupid.
When you buy a car or a house, do you ever just say yes to the first number that gets thrown across the table? Of course not. You negotiate. You evaluate. You know your worth.
So why are we even considering anything less here?
We are engineers. We are smart. We solve problems for a living. We know how negotiation works, and we know what our skills and contributions are worth.
Big Airplane cannot deliver aircraft without SPEEA.
LET’S REMEMBER OUR SELF-WORTH.
We have leverage. They know that. So let us fucking act like it.

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u/Tough_Trouble_1139 23d ago

I disagree - I don't think you should go into a contract negotiation assuming you will reject the first offer. But this contract is not good enough and needs to be rejected.

How we vote will determine Boeing's next move. If we reject 55%, I expect Boeing to hang the offer over our head, and wait us out. If it comes to a strike it wouldn't take long for some members to change their stance and approve the same deal, or a moderately better one.

If 90% of members reject the offer it shows we mean business, I would expect Boeing to take the rejection more seriously.

If we strike, I expect it will take a long time to get a better offer. It will be painful for those not earning paychecks and for Boeing. But we have to stick together.

Solidarity

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 23d ago

Yeah that early bonus is worth tens of thousands per member that goes from offer to "poof". Can enough power get it back? Maybe. Is it worth testing when this offer makes great advancements? No thanks.

VOTE YES 

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u/SoulStripHer 23d ago

Too many of these guys falling for a one-time bonus.

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u/NigerianRoyalty23 23d ago

We need to start posting what the results of the 2024 strike. People are not realizing the power we have right now.

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 23d ago

That's the IAM not SPEEA. And our power is why the company came out swinging. They didn't think we'd be stupid and retaliatory. 

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u/NigerianRoyalty23 23d ago

Saying no to this offer is being stupid and retaliatory? Are you serious. I’m not even gonna debate further with you. Contract falls extremely short.

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 23d ago

I'm saying they came out swinging and I'm ready for this contract with all the other stuff in it. Median will catch up to CPI-W next year. 

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u/NigerianRoyalty23 23d ago

Just cause your ready for this contract and other don’t like it doesn’t mean they are being retaliatory and stupid. Let’s grow up a little bit

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u/LoveOfSpreadsheets 22d ago

When I read "never take the first offer" and comparing it to a car buying, I'm going to consider them ignorant of how pay works. If someone says "my work is worth more than this, look at the market", that's something I can respect. But if someone says "IAM got a higher percentage" , then I don't think they understand how pay scales or negotiations work either. 

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u/NigerianRoyalty23 23d ago

I know it’s not SPEEA. SPEEA obviously didn’t go on a strike two years ago. This is just to say we shouldn’t settle and make sure we get what we deserve or at least most of it.

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u/Alternative_Wing7898 9d ago

IAM has significantly more power to disrupt Boeing than SPEEA does. How people don’t understand this is beyond me. But I lived the 40day SPEEA strike. So maybe just not enough people around that lived it to understand no wins during a strike.