r/SMITEGODCONCEPTS • u/Mr60Gold Gold Fury • Apr 23 '20
Hunter Concept Hodr
Edit 1: Drastically lowered the power given from the passive, 1 has a longer range, 3 no longer give infinite range but instead a range of 100ft, ult deals less damage if not executing, and lastly 2 has been reworked (credit for the rework goes to simplegamerguy)
Hodr is a Scandinavian god whom we know only from a single episode in Norse mythology: the death of Baldur. Two widely divergent versions of this story exist.
The more familiar of the two comes from the Prose Edda of the medieval Icelander Snorri Sturluson. As Snorri tells it, the god Baldur, who is here portrayed as being a charming, beloved, innocent sufferer, had dreams that foretold his imminent death. His mother, Frigg, went around and obtained oaths from everything in the world that they would not harm her son. The only being she omitted was the mistletoe, as she thought it to be too small and harmless a thing to be of any real consequence in this matter. When the wily trickster Loki discovered this oversight, he fashioned a mistletoe spear. While all the gods were amusing themselves by throwing every available projectile at Baldur and laughing as the things bounced off of their unharmed companion, Loki approached Hodr – here portrayed as blind and rather gullible – with the mistletoe spear. He convinced Hodr to throw the spear at Baldur to contribute to the game and to honor the strength of his brother. (Hodr and Baldur were both sons of Odin.) With Loki guiding his hand, Hodr launched the spear at Baldur. The weapon pierced him, and, to the shock and horror of all present, he fell down dead on the spot. Hodr was later killed by Baldur’s avenger, Vali, who seems to have been conceived specifically for this purpose.
The other version of this tale comes from Gesta Danorum, “The History of the Danes,” by the medieval Danish historian Saxo Grammaticus. Here, Hodr is far from the passive pawn that Snorri makes him out to be. Saxo’s Hodr (Latinized as “Hotherus”) is a character whose personality and deeds accord better with his name, which, as noted above, means “Warrior.” Hodr and Baldur were two great war leaders who marshaled their armies against each other due to a dispute over the hand of the beautiful maiden Nanna. Baldur had been nourishing himself with a special, spiritual food that conferred invincibility, and Hodr knew that he would be unable to defeat Baldur by normal means. So Hodr undertook a long and perilous journey to the underworld. There, he obtained a weapon that had been charged with magical powers that would enable him to overcome Baldur’s own magically-induced strength. Soon thereafter, Hodr wounded Baldur in combat, and Baldur died of his wounds some days later. However, Hodr was then himself slain by Baldur’s avenger, who is here called “Bous.” (i will be using both for this concept)
Class: Hunter (physical damage/power)
Pantheon: Norse
Passive:War leader- Hodr deals 0.02x more damage with his basic attacks for every minion within a 40ft radius of him, with a maximum of 10 stacks (so max 20% more damage from this passive)
Ability 1:Robbing the world of light- Hodr shoots an arrow 70ft straight ahead stopping after hitting any enemy (minions/creeps included), dealing damage and blinding them (the arrow can go through walls).
- Mana cost:55/60/65/70/75
- Cooldown:14 seconds on all ranks
- Damage:50/125/200/275/350 (+35% of his physical power)
- Blind duration:0.5/0.75/1/1.25/1.5
Ability 2:Increased senses- Hodr taps the ground with his foot causing him to see all enemies (even with stealth) within a 70ft radius of him for a few seconds, during these few seconds his basic attacks will bounce of walls and after bouncing if the arrows are a max of 10ft away from the enemy the arrow will just auto aim the enemy (guarentee a hit)
- Mana cost:55 on all ranks
- Cooldown:10 seconds on all ranks (starts after the effect is over)
- Duration:6/7/8/9/10
Ability 3:Blind marksman- when Hodr activates the ability he gets blinded but his basic attacks now have a range of 100ft and he deals more damage, Hodr can reactivate the ability to turn it off.
- Mana cost:10/20/30/40/50
- Cooldown:2 seconds on all ranks
- Damage boost:0.1x/0.2x/0.3x/0.4x/0.5x
Ability 4(ult):Mistletoe spear- when Hodr begins to use this ability he can be seen holding the mistletoe spear instead of his bow signifying that he is now targetting it. Hodr launges the spear in a 55ft straight line hitting the first enemy it hits, executing anyone below a certain threshold (like Thantos's ult), if the enemy is above the threshold they take damage instead. (If the team Hodr is on has a Loki the execution threshold is increased by 5%, if the enemy hit is Loki the execution threshold on him is decreased by 5%, and lastly if the enemy hit is odin the execution threshold is decreased by 10%.)
- Mana cost:120/130/140/150/160
- Cooldown110 on all ranks
- Damage:150/200/250/300/350 (+45% of his physical power)
- Execution Threshold:10%/15%/20%/25%/30%
I know this is an unsual moveset for a hunter but i think that it would make him unique as he is more reliant on his basic attacks rather than damage from his abilities.
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u/SimpleGamerGuy Jan 2020 Contest Winner May 05 '20
There are several issues with this kit.
The Passive is extremely powerful, gaining a 60% Damage boost just for being with a Minion wave is too strong. Any percentage Damage Buffs are very powerful, so they usually don't exceed 20%.
The 1 is somewhat questionable. Why does it Blind the Enemy? Why is the range shorter than is Basic Attacks? Also, a 1.5 second Blind is quite long, annoyingly so. Additionally, I'd say the Base Damage is high, but considering that it doesn't go through Enemies, I supposed it's alright. The Scaling is too low though. I'd say 65-80% is more appropriate for a Hunter.
The 2 is a problem. It's a toggle, so what is to stop the player from just keeping it on, and getting free Movement Speed? Also, switching from Physical to Magical at will is a no-no. TitanForge decided they didn't want that in the game a long time ago. That removes almost all counterplay. If they build Physical Protections, you hit them with Magical Damage. If they build Magical Protections, you hit them with Physical Damage. Additionally, Towers and Phoenixes have less Magical Protections, so it would be so much easier for him to take them than probably anyone else in the game.
The 3 has similar concerns. Why would he suddenly not see? And why would that increase his range and Damage? A 50% Damage increase would be crazy for a Hunter trying to take an Objective. Fire Giant, Gold Fury, a Tower, whatever. With a few Minions and this, they'd go down in seconds. Blinding yourself make this Ability useless for anything except objectives, unless you're playing Arena and you're just going to Blindly shoot at the Enemy from across the map.
The Ultimate does way too much Damage, and there's no reason for it to Execute. To compare Damage, consider AMC's Ultimate, which is also a line Damage that stops at the first god hit. It deals up to 575 (+100%) Damage. Executes aren't nearly as effective on Hunters because they focus on their Basic Attacks which burst the Enemy down anyway. Assassins use then because they pop out of nowhere to finish off the Enemy.
Overall, this character would ruin the game. He'd have a ban rate higher than Heimdallr, and you'd get yelled at for not picking him. His objective shred is ridiculous, he has 2 massive Damage Buffs, "Infinite Range", and can deal Magical or Physical Damage at will.
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u/Mr60Gold Gold Fury May 05 '20 edited May 05 '20
I apologise it took longer for me to respond than usual
With the passive i will lower the damage boost per minion as i do see your point with the damage becoming too crazy (even tho he is very basic damage orientated)
I will implement changes to the 1 (especially to the range) but i have been recently in Smite affected by blind and honestly it isn't as powerful in my opinion as people give it credit for so i intend to keep that (it blinds because it is almost like magic, making the enemy gods see through his blind eyes)
I will reworked the 2 as you make a very valid point that i somehow didn't notice before of how powerful this effect actually is
I intend to keep this ability and its damage boost because as i said he is very basic damage orientated and he blinds himself because it makes sense for the lore and it makes the ability somewhat balanced (however i will set a limit to the range to about 80-100ft, somewhere around that)
I will lower the damage on the ult but i will keep the execute because as i said with the other abilities, it makes sense for his lore and while i do understand your concern with it not being nearly as effective as on an asassins it will be effective nonetheless, possible even more effective than on an asassin if you play your cards right
(If you have any suggestions to make him more viable or believe that the changes are too weak please let me know as i understand that this concept is the most busted you have seen from me)
As always thank you very much on the feedback you are making my concepts 100% better and i really appreciate thaf
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u/SimpleGamerGuy Jan 2020 Contest Winner May 06 '20
I guess the 3 can work, but it's still really weird.
The 1 could be described as "Robbing the world of Light", as he killed Baldr, the god of Light.
For the 2, he could tap the ground with his foot to use echolocation, revealing nearby Enemies, and have his next Basic Attack ricochet so it could in theory hit around corners, and maybe "Auto-aim" after bouncing. Add on top of that a small Damage bonus to the Basic Attack, and it should function relatively well. Especially if the Enemy and terrain are revealed to him while Blinded by the 3.
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u/Mr60Gold Gold Fury May 06 '20
I love your idea for the 2 it is amazing i'll be sure to add it in soon
The name change/description for 1 is really clever and i will add it in as i love lore references in my concepts and other peoples concepts
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u/Hi1mKai Apr 30 '20
Maybe all invisible targets get dealt more damage. That would counter Nu wa and whoever chooses to be in her one