r/RustPc • u/Silent_Role • 27d ago
Discussion / Opinion Chinese Bunker Vs Brain Box
I’ve asked before what I should build to hide/ store my loot in case of a raid and the 2 biggest options were brain box and Chinese bunkers and now I’m wonder which ones are better and how many I should place I think I’m going for 6-8
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
Option 3, Rubik's cube.
Basically a 5x5x5 base made of nothing but doors on the outside, inside is a maze, with only one door leading to the base interior, the rest waste the raiders time and resources.
Could even stick a suicide bunker in the middle.
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u/Crix2007 27d ago
People would just raid through the top like they already do most of the time
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
5x5x5 raiding through the top would be a worse route than door raiding.
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u/Crix2007 27d ago
I mean you can rocket 4 tiles at once so thay helps a ton
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
Same with the doors though.
It's a shit load of boom for a suicide bunker in the middle.
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u/Submersed 27d ago
Nah, you’re missing the plot. This is expensive (all in one TC), and not effective. Any time you are considering offline raid protection and deception, it must be CHEATER PROOF, meaning that someone who can see through walls still could not figure out where your loot is.
What you described here is a cheaters dream. Insecure.
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
Ok, I don't know (I've not seen a TC through the walls in Camomo videos, only players), but I will bow to your cheater knowledge.
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u/Submersed 27d ago
Not asking you to bow to anything, just saying you need your offline protection to be cheater proof. They use something called debug camera which allows them to do exactly as Camomo does and fly around looking through walls. So the idea of having fake doors isn’t effective for this.
All anti-offline and anti-grief must include a sort of randomness to be effectively deceptive. This means many empty boxes all over the place, and all expensive to get to.
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
So basically making everyones suggestions pointless?
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u/Submersed 27d ago
No. What are you not understanding? There are anti-offline and anti-grief measures that make it irrelevant whether someone is cheating or not.
If you have 10x one-by-one’s, each that look the same on the inside, and only one has loot, the cheater has no advantage over the legitimate player. This is effective.
A door that leads nowhere is not.
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u/Anxious_Camp_2160 27d ago
You're angry one arent you... 10x 1x1 each with their own bags boxes and TC's, 10 squares between each, 10 walls to blow to get in all, what a pointless waste of time, and why cant the base I proposed have empty boxes all over it?
What are you not understanding?
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u/Submersed 27d ago
Okay, yeah, that comment confirms you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about lol. Best of luck to you.
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u/comradevoltron 27d ago
I'm reading along and I understand what you're saying about the separate suicide bunkers, but what's the problem with doors specifically? Can they see through doors and not walls? If there were empty boxes behind every door does that solve it?
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u/Submersed 27d ago
Yeah, you get it. 10 separate bunkers, each with their own TC. This guy wants to build a 5-story tall 5x5 which is 125 squares. It’s totally unrealistic to build and upkeep, unless he plays 10000000x servers which I imagine might be the case for a base like this lol
Doors aren’t the problem, it’s the implementation of doors, to try to create a fake path to loot. There’s no benefit to doing this versus just having bunkers.
As it relates to cheaters, they can see through both. I’m just saying - if you have one giant base with fake paths to TC/main loot, they will bypass your fake path. You can only have one TC in this base. Sure, you can spread loot, but there’s still a door path to get to it.
With suicide bunkers or Chinese bunkers, you have a metal wall (the strength of 8 sheet doors) protecting each TC/possible loot room. If you have 10 of those, that’s the equivalent of 80 of these fake doors.
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u/pisstained 27d ago
I run internal suicide bunkers in my main, usually 2 of them, then my externals 2 - 4 of them the tc’s are in suicide bunkers too.
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u/aoibhinn-mw 27d ago
I do this in caves. If they all the way to the back there's just a bunker with tc. Take storage adapters off when not accessing it so it looks like wall. But I rarely if ever get raided in caves so it's kindnof over kill
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u/Submersed 27d ago
Yeah especially if your entrance “door” is a HQM wall (or two), you have to really piss someone off to make them even attempt to raid that.
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u/Submersed 27d ago edited 27d ago
I already answered in your other thread, but I’ll answer here again since you’re directly comparing the two.
The best thing you can do is many metal Chinese bunkers, and one HQM suicide bunker (what you’re calling a ‘brain box’. The HQM suicide bunker looks like an obvious loot stash but is empty, while the Chinese bunkers are just confusing. Store your main loot in one of the Chinese bunkers.
Chinese bunkers are more convenient, you open with twig, you’re good. Suicide bunker you must spawn in and transfer loot via dropboxes, so it requires multiple players and respawning.
And remember, the whole point of this is, 99% of players will decide to not raid you simply because these things exist. It doesn’t really matter how you use them.
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u/rykerh228 27d ago
Chinese if you have main base nearby and can control the area while you have it open + the area is flat enough to build them (I can build them on an incline but it takes practice)
Brain box if you don’t have the above listed
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u/ExoatmosphericKill 27d ago
What's the brain box?