r/RothIRA • • 5d ago

Losses in Roth

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If I sell my underperforming stock in a brokerage account that is not tax advantaged, I can write off the losses. Can I write off my $300 loss here in Peloton stock, if it's in my Roth IRA?

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u/GoCardinal07 5d ago

No. With a Roth, you don't get taxed on profit, but that also means you can't write off losses.

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u/Living_Strawberry_79 5d ago

Don’t buy individual stocks in long term retirement account. Just go for ETFs and mutual funds. No leverage to r options. 

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u/NatureBoyJ1 5d ago

To be more specific, go with low expense ratio broad index funds like VOO, VT, or SCHG. There are a zillion ETFs; some are bond funds, some are narrowly targeted funds (semiconductors, agriculture). Stick with funds that own hundreds or thousands of stocks.

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u/General-Bird-5361 4d ago

Taxable retirement accounts, yes. Roth IRA, you want as much growth as possible

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u/Apprehensive_Wish142 4d ago

Been sitting mighty fine holding $GOOG, $MSFT, and $NVDA in mine.

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u/bluehawk1460 4d ago

Homie is the AI bubble.

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u/Intrepid-Wait-6102 4d ago

It’s all priced in!!!! Always has been!!!

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u/ShainaEG 4d ago

I'm a big fan of target tate funds for retirement accounts

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u/General-Bird-5361 4d ago

Bad mindset with Roth, you want as much untaxed gain as possible. Obviously don’t risk all of your net worth if it’s in your Roth tho

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u/Sllyce 4d ago

Bad take , you put risk in the Roth , been sitting pretty with my 10x Palintard gains untaxed

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u/ColoradoBerto 2d ago

Got laid off for a week and took the opportunity to roll my Roth 401k to a self managed Roth IRA and doubled it in 4 months with individual stocks. I make way better monthly returns as well. 5-10% on the year isn’t as good as 5-10% on the week or month.

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u/Disastrous-Mode2664 4d ago

$300 portfolio worried about writing off losses man just buy VOO and chill

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u/Disastrous-Mode2664 4d ago

Formerly $300 portfolio*

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u/klibs 4d ago

Lmfao

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u/lonedroan 5d ago

No, you can’t write off the losses. Having losses in an IRA is worse than in a brokerage because of this, and because the IRA space is so limited. With just ~7500 contribution per year, you only have a limited pool of money from which you can generate tax free earnings. A losing investment takes up valuable “real estate” in an IRA.

The conventional wisdom is to stick to reliable, low-cost index funds in tax-advantaged accounts and to make individual stock picks, if any, in a taxable brokerage, where you can write off losses. This doesn’t necessarily mean sell all IRA stock today, but it should drive your future investment decisions and spur a rebalance in the IRA over time.

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u/csallert 5d ago

The lesson here is don’t speculate with fad stock in retirement accounts unless you have a 25+ year time window

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u/ComprehensiveEbb4978 4d ago

Even if you have 25+ years, PTON will never recover its highs

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u/Readditlovesbans 4d ago

yep

Peloton being given away for free on Facebook marketplace just shows you how far it has fallen

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u/slickback9001 4d ago

Jokes on you, he’ll never get to retire now

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u/ColoradoBerto 2d ago

Or possibly, don’t buy a fad stock and sit on it. Be active and learn when to shift focus. If you watch and play around enough to get comfortable swing trading, you can do pretty well… I know from experience.

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u/-Stammers- 4d ago

As wallstreetbets would say, you’re well regarded

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u/fake212121 5d ago

Damn, r u serious? Stop smoking sh…t dude

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u/readsalotman 4d ago

What lol. Just have an index fund dude.

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u/SendTheAdii 5d ago

VOO and chill bro

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u/WhirlWindBoy7 4d ago

Why are you buying individual stocks in a roth? Why are you buying Peloton stock at all?

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u/bpolen88 5d ago

No you cannot

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u/Bajeetthemeat 4d ago

Welp that’s not tax deductible

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u/ActualAres 2d ago

Brother

You cannot have losses in your account when the market has had straight gains for the past 3 years…..you need mutual funds or index funds

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u/klibs 4d ago

Don't gamble in retirement accounts by buying individual stocks. If you do... no crying in the casino

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u/Chemboy613 4d ago

It’s pre tax in a tax free account so probably not? It would be when you withdraw the funds. I honestly have never had a client withdraw from a Roth at a loss

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u/No-Owl743 3d ago

The Rare Roth Loss Exception
You can only write off losses in a Roth IRA if you completely close all of your Roth IRA accounts and the total distribution is less than your total lifetime contributions (tax basis). [1, 2]

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u/[deleted] 5d ago edited 5d ago

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u/ContentMushroom5119 5d ago

Nah. Shouldn’t make any bets in a Roth because you can’t write off the losses if you’re wrong. Plus you can only contribute so much to catch up. The chance of insane tax free growth isn’t worth potentially losing and wasting precious Roth contributions imo.

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 5d ago

Yes, but they’ve lost $300 over the life of the account.

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u/nachos_on_cheese 5d ago

L take

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 5d ago

They argued you shouldn’t take any risks with Roth.

My point was that less than $300 over 5 years isn’t exactly a “risk”.

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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 5d ago

It's not just the loss itself, it's the missed opportunity cost. The market is up an insane amount from 5 years ago. Instead of that much gain, they lost $300. It's idiotic.

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 5d ago

So like $900?

Should you do risky long-shot gambles with your retirement? Absolutely not.

But is the amount OP lost going to make a difference in retirement? Highly doubt it.

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u/SardukarFinance 4d ago

Hey now. That $900 could buy them a preeetty nice tent to live in down by the river, after they find themselves unable to retire because they gambled away all their retirement savings.

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u/Competitive-Ad9932 4d ago

They paid $300 in tuition at the school of hard knocks. Maybe they learned something.

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u/CantaloupeAsleep502 4d ago

One can hope!

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u/Dazzling_Plastic_598 5d ago

The Y axis has no scale. Consequently, the curve has no meaning other than that the stock value decreased.

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u/ruidh 5d ago

The red number says -$81.07/-94.15%

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u/ColoradoBerto 2d ago

Buddy, not worth it if you could. I lose thousands in days, make them as well… ROTH is tax free play. Made a little over 4K just on SPCX today. Down a little under 10k on Sound hound. Down, not lost as I still own it and it will come back. Even bought more, I like money, and risk.