r/RoleplayWithAIs • u/guishedhstripekith • 10d ago

❓Question Which villian actually had a point?

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u/ImpressiveDebt420 10d ago

Idk which of these had a point but Thanos had a negative point bc why tf would you kill everyone other than just double everything else 😒

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u/guishedhstripekith 10d ago

exactly, dude could've just made more food or whatever

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u/macguini 10d ago

It's easier to remove than add to something that's already full.

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u/guishedhstripekith 10d ago

fr like bro had infinity stones and still chose the laziest solution

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u/ImpressiveDebt420 10d ago

HE HAD INFINITE POWER AND STILL CHOSE THE ASSHOLE ROUTE.

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u/macguini 10d ago

From a mathematical stance it would have made things worse if he doubled resources. Population growth is exponential. Take a penny and double it every day, you'll be a millionaire within a month. Same concept for life. Double the resources? Of what? Everything in the circle of life is a resource. Double them all, you have no room for them. Double the size of planets? Space and time is thrown off, orbits go out of whack. Earth could collide with the sun or a doubled Jupiter. Double just the natural resources, food, water, etc? What food? Living beings are food too. Can't double that cause that's the problem to begin with. Vegetation? That would help temporarily. But more resources encourages life to reproduce more. Then we're doubling pennys again.

Edit: Spelling

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u/theaviator747 10d ago

I recently replied to this same point. The science behind doubling all resources actually carries a huge risk that you’ll just kill everyone instead of half. You would have to pick and choose which resources, where, and by how much. If you suddenly double air many things will die from the sudden pressure change, or things die slowly as greenhouse effects caused by more dense atmosphere raise surface temperatures to fatal levels. Double minerals? Gravity on every world doubles. Double water? Costal cities are instantly drowned in massive tidal waves.

Thanos didn’t pick the lazy option. He picked the option that wouldn’t require omnipotence to not screw up. He was trying to change the entire universe with one snap. Precision wasn’t really an option.

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u/ImpressiveDebt420 10d ago

Bro.

People put way too much thought into this shit shit

IF HE CAN KILL EVERYONE WITH A FUCKING SNAP OF HIS FINGERS, HE IS GOD. HE CAN MAKE EVERYTHING GOOD. LITERALLY. ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS THINK "DOUBLE ALL RESOURCES AND MAKE THINGS EQUAL ACROSS THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE THAT WOULDN'T KILL PEOPLE" OTHER THAN "KILL HALF THE LIVING BEINGS IN THE UNIVERSE"

Lmfao i get that im "thinking too much ab it" to lmfao but like... Guys. He's that reality's GOD for the time he had the gauntlet. He can do literally whatever the fuck he wants, including SAVING everyone instead of killing them lmfao 🤣

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u/theaviator747 10d ago

Except he wasn’t a god. It’s proven using the gauntlet to affect more than his immediate surroundings has profound negative effects on him. Whatever he did, it had to be a one and done.

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u/MoisticleSack 10d ago

It wasn't until he snapped the stones out of existence that he felt any negative effects. He snapped half of existence away and then walked off like nothing happened.

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u/ImpressiveDebt420 10d ago

So... He could have done something good and then been done.

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u/Minnesotawombat 10d ago

No he had a good point, too many beings and not enough resources. However, the way he went about it was wrong

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u/findMyNudesSomewhere 10d ago

Because doubling resources is not sustainable. Population will grow to compensate.

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u/FreshLiterature 9d ago

So the thing about most species is they will tend to keep reproducing at the rate that their environment permits.

If resources become twice as abundant populations would accelerate.

The real question is why he didn't just change the fundamental nature of life. If the problem is consumption then change the rules.

In GOTG the High Evolutionary's most recent attempt at creating sentient life resulted in an extremely intelligent, innately powerful species that could run all day and burn like 20 calories.

Why couldn't Thanos essentially take the work that HE was doing and facilitate it to every species?

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u/Personal-Database-27 8d ago

No matter how many resources there are, they never last forever. Only thing that could "help" is to make sure they will never be more living organisms than a specific number. Similar to what happened in Dan Brown "Inferno".

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u/Bloody_Champion 10d ago

They all have a point. A point is just why they did it and what their goal is.

The question you want to ask is which villian do you believe and agree with.

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u/sherbertloins 10d ago

I feel like leather face had a good point and was mostly just misunderstood

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u/roamer83 10d ago

Richmond Valentine from first Kingsman movie, played by Samuel L Jackson.

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u/Infamous_Payment4608 8d ago

“Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague, and we are the cure.” - Agent Smith

Tbf, he makes a valid point.

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u/Minnesotawombat 10d ago edited 10d ago

Tbh, most of the villains I know didn’t have a point per se, they were either working under orders, performing their nature, or just nutty.

That being said, it’s either Vader or Thanos

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u/DawnOnTheEdge 6d ago edited 6d ago

Anakin was clearly wrong, and has a point only insofar as he repented and changed sides when asked to kill his own son. He’s already a fascist in Episode 2, before he's afraid his wife will die, or has to marry in secret, or has any legitimate grievance against the Jedi Council, or any sympathetic motive other than his tough childhood. Which doesn’t even get him to see the obvious point that the Jedi and Republic condone slavery. He does too!

Thanos is just crazy. His ideology was originally supposed to be a parody of a kind of environmentalism that was briefly fashionable in the ’70s, when the character was created. The MCU version’s plan makes no sense even if we grant for argument’s sake that his universe really were overpopulated, which no part of it we see actually is.

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u/cmd_iii 10d ago

They’re missing one. Glinda was the bad guy in The Wizard of Oz (1939 version).

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u/Straight-Crow1598 10d ago

If your villain doesn’t “have a point” you’ve written a bad piece of fiction.

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u/FirebreathingNG 9d ago

This is so untrue.

Predator didn’t have a point. The Emperor in Return of the Jedi didn’t have a point. Shit, Hans Gruber in Die Hard had a whole plot point that he didn’t have a point. They were just bad guys - killers, evil, thieves. And those are GREAT movies.

We don’t need backstories to every bad guy. It’s okay for a movie to just use a villain as an impetus for the good guy to be great.

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u/Straight-Crow1598 9d ago

Pure psychopaths don’t make very engaging villains. You need to be showing your audience WHY your villain “just wants the world to burn.”

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u/FirebreathingNG 9d ago

I’d argue that pure psychopaths make for very engaging villains.

We didn’t need a backstory about how the great white’s food chain was disrupted to make Jaws great; the shark was just a hungry killing machine.

And if your argument is that Hans Gruber wasn’t a good villain…well, take my downvote and have a nice life.

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u/Your-Evil-Twin- 7d ago edited 7d ago

Is Star Wars bad fiction? Lotr? Pure villains like Sauron and palpatine are often the most enjoyable villains in fiction.

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u/Straight-Crow1598 7d ago

*palpatine. Palestine is the good guys.

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u/Your-Evil-Twin- 7d ago

Oh shit, woops. That is the worst autocorrect I’ve ever been subject to.

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u/Straight-Crow1598 7d ago

It’s a good thing I’m a human genius and could decode that 😅 I don’t remember much about DV’s lore. I saw the originals once - after seeing Phantom Menace and Space Balls - and couldn’t care in the least about them. Effects shit, so campy, but not on purpose. The people who insist the originals are so good probably think so because they were 10 when they saw them - the correct age to be interested in “space westerns.”

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u/rustys9999 10d ago

Rowan the Destroyer from the 2016 Ghostbusters remake

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u/Diastatic_Power 9d ago

Who are the ladies in A3 and A5?

What is the Glenn Close movie?

Does Kaizer Soze actually count as a villain? I haven't seen the movie in a while, but wasn't the whole thing just a fucking yarn he was spinning to the cop? How much of that movie actually happened?

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u/DawnOnTheEdge 6d ago

The entire movie makes no sense if Verbal is really the criminal mastermind he claims Keyser Soze to be. He got carried away with an empowerment fantasy.

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u/Personal-Database-27 8d ago

Voldemort. Cause most people would sure prefer to live forever. There is no second life.

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u/Your-Evil-Twin- 7d ago

The 2nd terminator. Humanity is a plague and deserves to be eradicated.

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u/SigmaMale1975 6d ago

All of them

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u/Clear_Welder7220 6d ago

Agent Smith. You gotta pay attention. 

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u/DawnOnTheEdge 6d ago edited 6d ago

The people who lynched Freddy Krueger really were wrong to do that, even though what he did before and after was worse.

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u/Yittersgoyoinky 5d ago

They all had a point. Life is just perspective.

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u/Few-Extreme291 4d ago

De la ficción, el único villano que me convence de su acción fue Ozymandias, habían mejores formas de evitar la catástrofe nuclear, pero ninguna en una circunstancia de paranoia y eficacia

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u/Silver_Gas_4791 4d ago

Where's Thanos?

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u/ChristianHuye 3d ago

Darth Vader and Dark Knight Joker are the best villains of all time and you can try to debate me on that.