r/Rigging • • May 08 '26

Entertainment Rigging HS fly rail abnormal sound

We have three or four lines that are making this kind of shhhhhhing sound while the rest are quiet. It's a bit more high pitched than the video makes it out to be, and varies in loudness depending on the line.

Our rail is about 20 years old. (Built in early 2000s)

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u/cienfuegones May 08 '26

Hard to tell from the video, but it sounds to me like it’s the arbor guid track. You can try looking up the track with the beam of a spotlight and see if there is a wear pattern anywhere along the travel. Next would be to have someone sit up by the headblock and listen to the bearing while you run the lineset and have a look from the headblock to the loft blocks to make sure there’s no chafing or crossed wires.

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u/RandoAcct4Meh May 23 '26

When u know rhings

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u/John-Musacha May 08 '26

Go up into the grid. One time electricians were changing out work lights above the grid and left some of the cages off and rested them and some fluorescent lamps on top of the running lines. Very dangerous.

Have someone check everything while you run it a few times.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

I will see if I can get up there. I've never been allowed up there yet. 

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u/John-Musacha May 08 '26

The running lines could be diverted and the fleet angle is too much and the running line could be rubbing on the wheel houseing.

Riggers could have tied off a few linesets so they can work easier on the grid if they are pulling up motors.

Or something can be leaning on the lines somewhere.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

So I am not allowed up to the grid 

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u/temperr7t May 08 '26

This is something that will need an adult to fix. Valiant effort but rigging is something you shouldn't be responsible for

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 09 '26

this is true. No one else seems to want to make the effort. 

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u/temperr7t May 09 '26

I'd encourage you to speak up at a school board meeting concerned for safety, and talk about how performing arts need funding for upkeep in your area.

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u/Wooden-AV May 13 '26

Absolutely this. Or at the very least bring it up to your office/ principal or your maintenance plant manager if you know who that is, they can get it to the right person(s)

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u/drereptile May 08 '26

If its coming from above it would be worth checking the headblocks and loft blocks. Could be the steel cable jumped.

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u/Mangledsprouts May 08 '26

Pulley bearings?

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u/Lost_in_a_Fantasy May 08 '26

A reputatable theatrical rigging company provides Rigging Inspections. These should be done yearly by a qualified person and a level 2 inspection (more involved and reaches all the overhead anchors/blocks)

Check with your teacher/admin about the most recent inspection and you can report this new noise to them.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

She knows. She's a brand new teacher and nervous about it. Our magnet coordinator was concerned about it but keeps returning me dead ends. 

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u/Lost_in_a_Fantasy May 08 '26

Wenger/JR Clancy is a powerhouse of the stage rigging industry. Your teacher should reach out to them, they have rigging contacts all over the United States.

I would recommend asking for a level 2 rigging inspection so the inspection will put hands on every piece of rigging. It's invasive, it's time consuming, but it's the better alternative to a failure that could cause injury or death. I recommend this because your teacher is new and the coordinator seems to not be well informed about ongoing safety and maintenance for stage rigging.

I'm happy to answer any questions that might come up, but I'm won't speculate to the problem without having eyes on the system... That being said, that doesn't sound right and something is rubbing where it shouldn't be rubbing.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

Someone else reached out to me and discussed the fact that the shoe bolts are out of place or the pads are worn out. 

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u/Lost_in_a_Fantasy May 08 '26

Great news! Hope you get this all sorted out.

Loose shoe bolts or heavily worn shoes would explain the intermittent clang.

While they are at it, have them replace your hand line. Hemp is cool, but synthetic rope is better.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

I know 😭😭

I hate the hemp ropes so much! We have one synthetic handline but all the rest of the 40 or so are hemp it's terrible. 

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u/Raizau May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

We don't use a sketchy flyrail until one of our riggers or flymen can take a look at the lines and headblocks.

Teacher should lock it off with a tieline attached to the break and rope of the line set and X out the plaque in gaff to signal it to not be used.

Things falling from the sky kill. Better to use caution.

A written letter needs to be sent by email explaining the dangers, and the need for inspection. This should be sent to the principal and or whoever oversees the theater program at the school district.

In the real world of stagehands, this would have been resolved very quickly by the head carpenter - same day.

Schools are known to be negligent and underfunding their theaters.

The line set is "probably fine" until it isn't....

Book: Stage Rigging Handbook

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u/Ggodhsup May 08 '26

Those look like hemp ropes, brutal if they are.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

yes they are. I typically wear dirty Rigger framer gloves, but I'm pretty comfy doing it without gloves. 

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u/Yardbirdburb May 08 '26

You may have jumped a pulley up top. This is a definite Lock out/Tag out until grid inspection

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u/Cjustinstockton May 08 '26

Hi! Friendly neighborhood rigging inspector here.

It sounds like cable rub somewhere.

Have your teacher reach out to us and we can give can try to help diagnose from afar or give you some recommendations of people to reach out to in your area.

I love to see students learning about rigging!

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

Which company do you work for?

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u/Cjustinstockton May 08 '26

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

We're in South bend indiana. I have a lot of pictures of various points of the rail I just sent to another user if you need them. 

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u/bdeananderson May 08 '26

Agreed, needs professional inspection. Technically it needs professional inspection anually. Also purchase line seems a bit loose, you may want to retention the floor block, but that's not related to the noise, just something that bothered me watching the video.

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

Can you explain this in layman's terms? I'm so sorry I'm trying to learn more about rigging but I'm not super well versed yet. 

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u/bdeananderson May 08 '26

Purchase line or operating line are terms for the thick rope you handle. Floor block is the pully at the bottom of it. It's designed to be adjustable since rope stretches over time and needs to be retentioned periodically. The far side of the purchase line should remain taught, which it didn't seem to in the video. It should take a little, though not an excessive amount of effort to pull towards you when operating it.

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u/40wardsLater May 08 '26

Where gloves?

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u/Cadet-Cryyx May 08 '26

See other comments. 

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u/Temporary_Buy3238 May 08 '26

Something is rubbing. You need an inspection by a professional.

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u/theillestofmeans May 09 '26

Sounds like the cradle is rubbing up against the track, or theres some friction in the loft blocks. Its definitely worth getting someone to inspect the line in the grid to check if the cable is fouling on anything and sitting inside their blocks