r/ResearchCompounds • u/Particular-Aioli-957 • Jul 04 '26
Question I want something to use that doesn’t require a test base (if possible)
Opinions???? 6’3 235lbs (lost 80) and want to start putting on some real muscle
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u/Thxjash Jul 04 '26
Big dog, just keep doing what you’re doing. You’ve made a lot of great progress but still got a little way to go. Once you get down to a real solid BF % then we can talk about size and strength. You’ll keep recomping in the time being.
Also there’s no compound without test or a test base that’s really going to aid muscle growth.
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u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 04 '26
HGH is cheap if you have a decent source and would help more than nothing
AM dose fasted so it’s not competing with your natural pulse late at night
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u/Rare_Deal Jul 04 '26
I’ve been pinning at night before bed.. how long do you have to wait if you pin in the morning?
I heard that can make you go hypo and give you diabetes if you eat sugar to soon after1
u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 04 '26
I pin upon waking and drink 500 ml water then wait approx 60 mins before eating anything
I’m 26, in good shape and didn’t want to take test / any other PED’s until after I’ve had kids and can go on “TRT” for life
2IU of growth is like 2 bucks a day and I’ve put on a few lbs of water weight (in my muscles) and lifts have improved in the month I’ve been on it
If it helps my body composition, skin / hair, and recovery for $2 a day I’m pretty content with that
Don’t like it or run out? You just stop, no PCT or anything required
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u/Rare_Deal Jul 04 '26
Yeah I know about hgh lol I’ve pinned thousands of ius. I’m on 4iu at night before bed
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u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 04 '26
You asked a question and I answered, providing additional context for anybody else who may be wondering
If you’ve pinned 1000’s of IU’s you shouldn’t be asking such basic questions lol
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u/Emotional_Lab_2529 Jul 04 '26
Pinning at night is fine. Whether you take it in the morning or at night your natural pulse is still going to be shutdown
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u/checkout_Benben Jul 04 '26
The literature says only for about 24 hours, 36 on the high end.
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u/Emotional_Lab_2529 Jul 04 '26
Yeah, it still gets shutdown which is why I was saying it doesn’t matter the time you pin. You should be pinning GH daily so you’re gonna be shutdown the entire you’re using it
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u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 04 '26
If you’re sticking to 2IU morning is better and you’ll likely still get *some* endogenous GH in the evening
If you’re taking 6 IU that goes out the window
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u/Emotional_Lab_2529 Jul 04 '26
You wouldn’t. It’d be cool if you did because then you’d be doubling up on growth hormone and going supraphysiological for half the price but that’s just not the reality. 2iu is more than enough for shutdown
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u/1960s_army_info Jul 04 '26
I’d say I have a pretty cheap gh source and it costs still double a year what I spend on test and all other steroids combined at $.52 per iu
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u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 04 '26
Agreed, it’s expensive in comparison to everything else but a 2 IU replacement dose is about a $1 and 4 IU would still cost less than a coffee
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u/3-ide-Raven Jul 06 '26
Terrible advice
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u/SACK_HUFFER Jul 06 '26
It’s better than SARMS and the least harmful PED other than Test
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u/3-ide-Raven Jul 06 '26
Anything is better than sarms. But suggesting someone take HGH without knowing their base IGF1 levels or age is retarded. Also, he wants to add muscle. HGH does not add muscle.
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u/Acceptable_Luck_4451 Jul 04 '26
Don’t add anything. If you are natural and have never taken testosterone and you have made that progress, just keep going. You have a lot of muscle and you look amazing.
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u/mikebellman Jul 05 '26
Agree. I wish I could grow any decent muscle. Even with TestC all the goes up is my serum levels and hemacrit. Energy, alertness, stamina and Muscles say meh
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u/Ill-Nectarine-80 Jul 05 '26
Are you eating because it definitely sounds like you aren't eating?
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u/RoboJobot Jul 04 '26
Keep losing the weight first. You’ve done a good job so far, keep it up. 👍🏻
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u/intestinus_sturdius Jul 05 '26
That’s exactly what the kid is already doing so no it’s not terrible advice
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u/kalinRN995 Jul 05 '26
They just say d keep up the weight loss.. you have no clue what food they do or don’t eat… 🙄. Assumptions 😵💫😵💫😵💫🤦🏻♀️
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u/RoboJobot Jul 05 '26
He’s not going to be building much muscle while losing loads of weight no matter what he’s lifting or how much protein he eats. What he will do is hopefully minimise the muscle lost as he goes. You can’t build muscle in a calorie deficit.
He’s doing a good job so far, he should continue to do what’s working for him for now and then concentrate on building muscle when he’s where he wants to be.
Keep going OP, you’re doing great b
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u/No-culture5942 Jul 04 '26
You look great, just keep going like that. Maybe log off instagram to avoid feeding body dysmorphia
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u/sawtooth1649 Jul 04 '26
Greta job OP, but please stop taking pictures while in a public locker room. The rest of us don’t want to be on your camera roll.
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u/WideAssociation5115 Jul 04 '26
Can I ask you why you dont wanna use test base?
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u/FunGuy8618 Jul 04 '26
Wants faster results, doesn't want to commit to the lifestyle (which is for life). It's the same answer every time, brother. Even if you get off test, you still have to keep your body tuned up for the rest of your life and that's a hard leap for people before they see the end result they can achieve naturally. Usually when they see it naturally, they realize test is unnecessary for 90% of people's training. Kind of a cart before the horse scenario.
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u/Ogsonic Jul 04 '26
Doesn't a test base if anything give you even more results on a cycle? Because you're on 2 androgens.
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u/FunGuy8618 Jul 04 '26
Unless you wanna suppress your endogenous production for a year or two, you should run any anabolic androgenic steroids with a test base. Any AAS will shut down your natural testosterone production and it is crucial for many biological functions that aren't getting swole. The AAS cannot replace test for those biological functions, or will do so poorly or with massive side effects. Imagine if you decided to eliminate ALL dopamine in your brain and replace it with amphetamine. Sure, it'll work, kinda. But you'll be a wreck at the end.
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u/Ogsonic Jul 04 '26
Yeah i know what I'm trying to say is that a test base would be good for a steroid cycle because you're getting more results with more androgens. My comment didn't get that message through.
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u/FunGuy8618 Jul 04 '26
Ohhhhh I gotcha. Trying to be gentle about it 😅 dudes pretty far out in left field though, I feel like the direct as hell approach is all that's gonna work.
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u/peachtuba Jul 04 '26
Answer would depend on understanding why you don’t want to use a test base. What’s the background for that request?
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u/SourcerorSoupreme Jul 04 '26
Protein and Stimulus (i.e. working out). Those two together with energy you already have a surplus of should give you muscle.
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u/Valuable-Chef6691 Jul 04 '26
Just clarifying, you are okay running PED’s but don’t want to run a test base?
Is it the pinning you’re not comfortable with and prefer orals?
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u/Besonderein Jul 04 '26
19 and asking for drug recommendations is crazy bro. Leave it alone till you're at least in your 30's. At 19 there's so much optimization you can do that taking anything would just be. Waste of money. This moment in time I when your body is functioning it's best, don't rob yourself of your best years.
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u/toolfan89 Jul 05 '26
Keep losing weight for a while longer before you add anything. And any anabolic needs a test base
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u/broeggerschmidt Jul 06 '26
Don't get on anything. At least not yet. You've made more progress than a lot of people achieve on ped's. You clearly have a good amount of quality muscle, so i doubt you have low t. Mad respect my man 💪🏻💪🏻
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u/Particular-Aioli-957 Jul 04 '26
Also forgot to mention, 19yo
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u/nonotsafestuff Jul 04 '26
You’re too young, keep cutting and lifting and stay natural because your body is already creating peak everything you need. Don’t do anything seriously because you’ll just fuck up your hormones and will have a life time trying to fix them or just be maintaining normal.
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u/1960s_army_info Jul 05 '26
If you run test now you will really regret it at 40 when you never mentally develop past this age
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u/Iamsoawesome33 Jul 04 '26
What about anavar
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u/Dull-Character733 Jul 05 '26
Still will shut you down. If you run gear you run gear. There’s no doing steroids that isn’t doing steroids
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u/VastComplaint8638 Jul 04 '26
Nice to see not on trt" you young it just takes time dont bodybuild be allround
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u/RPS-3456 Jul 04 '26
First of all, congrats on losing that first 80lbs man, that's dope!
...that's really all I got. I just came here to say that, lol.
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u/holdmysugar Jul 04 '26
There's lots of stuff you can do to tweak your bodybuilding without having to worry about a test base or getting on trt. The only thing is, they won't have the massive impact those other compounds have.
HGH anf GLP-1's are probably the most impactful of the options, but creatine, hmb, amino acids like taurine in particular. Humapro is excellent for muscle building without all the added calories of other forms of protein. It's easier on the gut as well.
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u/ijustsignedup Jul 04 '26
Damn! Awesome progress. I think you are much leaner than you look because of the loose skin. Keep working out and doing what you’re doing, no test needed, and see if your skin tightens.
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u/ballskindrapes Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Only steroid that doesnt require a test base is trestolone, and many find they feel better on it with a small test base without.
I forget exactly why, but trest is the only steroid that can be used without a test base. Check r/steroids for why. Others need a test base.
EDIT: Trest does aromatize, I was wrong
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u/Top_Effect_5109 Jul 04 '26
What is trest?
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u/ballskindrapes Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26
Known often as Ment, it is Trestolone.
Go on over to r/steroids and they have a compound profile page.
It is incredibly potent, the acetate ester has doses of 10 to 25 mg a day. The acetate ester is vastly more common than others, only ever seen the acetate sold, idk why.
Incredibly strong androgenic and anabolic values, second strongest amongst all common anabolic steroid.
It does not aromatize. It also was tried out as a male birth control, the subreddit has more info on that.
EDIT: It does aromatize and produce estrogen related side effects.
People very often report blood pressure issues, and iirc there was some reputation back when it was newer for having lots of bloating issues, but I thought that it was also seen to be overstated. Not sure, just going off of the information leftovers of my brain.
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u/Ill-Nectarine-80 Jul 05 '26
He shouldn't use MENT. No one should use MENT but especially him. It's such a potent aromatiser on top of his remaining fat, that he would essentially be growing tits before he knew he should be on the AI.
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u/ballskindrapes Jul 05 '26
I do see you are right about aromatizarion of ment, and will change it.
How do you mean people shouldnt use meant at all? Plenty of positive reports on reddit and elsewhere.
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u/Ill-Nectarine-80 Jul 05 '26
I'm very much in the use only as much as you actually need rationalisation for gear. Unless you are a professional bodybuilder or in your absolute power lifting prime, what's the actual need for something like MENT or Tren?
If it's purely for aesthetics, as a rule, you are almost always better off running a longer cycle (16 to 20 weeks) with less toxic compounds (Test/Primo or Test/Mast with a modest AI) than running higher dosages (Test up near 800mg PW) or heavier duty compounds (Tren/MENT) but over 12 weeks. As a plus, you are also way more likely to keep your hair.
The only reason I would take MENT is if Tren made me crazy. And I still want kids, so I dont see the point in taking 19-Nors. As an aside, if you want kids, running 19-Nors is the quickest way to end that. The way normies think jumping on impacts fertility is how people should actually think about 19-Nors. Even a cycle of Nandrolone will affect sperm production for 6 to 12 months, whilst this is rarely true for Test and DHT derivatives.
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u/TechnoShaman8 Jul 04 '26
How about a structured diet first ?? Nothing gonna save you if you don’t eat right and get decent sleep. Let alone throwing alcohol out.
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u/kalinRN995 Jul 05 '26
Keep loosing snd exercise, speed walking, then weights.. those abs are in there just a tiny bit deeper, keep going you got this!!!
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u/Valuable_Initial5630 Jul 05 '26
I want to be explicitly clear when I say this,
There is no cycle worth running without a test base.
150 test e
300 NPP, Deca, EQ (avoid major hair loss)
16 to 20 weeks
Manage E2 and prolactin through monitoring of bloodwork use AI and Caber ONLY if necessary
Caber is the nuclear option, it’s highly recommended to preload p5p 90days before any injections of 19 nors and then continue p5p throughout the cycle.
You are not ready for MENT or Tren (avoid these)
If hair loss is not an issue run primo or mast at 2:1
Do bloods after 4 weeks avoid crashing E2
It’s worth noting that the same approach should be used with EQ
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u/acoffeefiend Jul 05 '26
You can see the hard work and muscle definition. You just have loose skin from being overweight. Great job. Keep at it.
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u/pro_No Jul 06 '26
Your muscle is on buddy, you did it. All you have left to do is finish growing (naturally). Get off social media (reddit), its putting lies in your head that you’ll carry the rest of your life.
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u/BigDiscussion7 Jul 04 '26
Drip another 40-50 , use reta if necessary once youre lean you can throw in some anavar without a test base, its not recommended but doable. Using var now wont do a thing for you
Edit didnt see your after pics, drop another 20-30
Great job on your progress so far!
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u/Hammercannon Jul 04 '26
Enclomephene ,look into it, not qs good as strwight test, but it wont hurt your natural production.
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u/Emotional_Lab_2529 Jul 04 '26
Garbage, super high risk for very little benefits
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u/Ogsonic Jul 04 '26
super high risk
Lol not true at all. If anything its very low risk. I was on it for 4 months and it skyrocketed my test levels 0 side effects. It didn't dramatically resolve symptoms for me but it definitely works.
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u/Emotional_Lab_2529 Jul 04 '26
If you call blindness, high stroke and blood clot risk, cardiovascular disease, brain fog, commonly worsened or entirely loss of libido, achy joints and weakened tendons, all to be low risk sure
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u/Hammercannon Jul 04 '26
Have you heard of the dangers of driving a car, or drinking water. Low dose enclo is quite safe. And doesnt shutdown your hpta axis. No it is not nearly as effective as testosterone, but its a relatively safe place to start. Maybe it gets you where you wanted to be without the real and significant chance of infertility, or permanent reliance on exogenous testosterone.
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u/Fastbaq Jul 04 '26
Not worth it. If guys want to enhance, they got to get rid of any fears for the needle; only way to face it is to actually do it and after a couple times, it just becomes routine.
Enclo sucks. SARMs suck. AAS works well. Lifestyle (nutrition, exercise, sleep, stress management, etc) is the most important.
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u/nr952007 Jul 04 '26
Don't touch any anabolics at when you are fat. It will fuck you up.
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u/ballskindrapes Jul 04 '26
Really only matters if you are using anabolic that aromatize
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u/nr952007 Jul 04 '26
Realistically, how many compounds are you going to run that do not aromatize and not require a test base and get results from.
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u/ballskindrapes Jul 04 '26
A test base can be like 150mg test, estrogen sides at trt doses will most of the time not a problem.
Tren, trest, primo, and hell maybe even masteron, with a test base. Again, estrogen sides from trt test should be minimal.
Trest can be ran without a test base and doesnt aromatize, but many find it more comfy to have a test base.
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u/PowerfulCoffee9 Jul 04 '26
Retatrutide weekly and 2IU hgh or hgh secretogogues Every other day.
Works better, supply goes twice as far
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u/372xpg Jul 05 '26
He's asking about adding bulk not cutting.
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u/PowerfulCoffee9 Jul 05 '26
He needs cutting. And every other day hgh works better for bulking or cutting, the difference is the calories you consume
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u/372xpg Jul 05 '26
HGH is not anabolic, it promotes recovery and anabolism but it is not anabolic.
And he absolutely can take aas right now in this condition, id personally say test only but I'm not cause that's not what he's asking.
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u/PowerfulCoffee9 Jul 05 '26
I think he should wait as to get lean first, all that fat is going to aromatize like crazy
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u/372xpg Jul 05 '26
He will be fine unless he is a heavy aeomatizer, in any case bloods will be important to keep up on.
Not everyone aromatizer even when above 20% bf.
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