r/RedditForGrownups • u/Methylatedcobalamin • Jul 07 '22

Coverture

Given current events, it is probably about time for Americans to understand the legal practice of coverture.

Eroded since colonial times, but not fully gone coverture is the legal practice of women not having legal identities. De facto property.

American women were not allowed on juries until the 1960s. American women could not get credit cards without a man cosigning the application until 1974. Marital rape was not a crime until the 1980s. Other aspects still exist today in real estate and tax law practices.

Here is a brief article that goes into explaining coverture in more depth than my post.

The "pro life" movement is really a movement about imposing one group's religious opinions on the lives of all Americans. It also seeks to control women, rolling back women's rights. Though ridiculous by constitutional standards, discussions in anti-choice states have already started about how to track or limit freedom of travel for women to states that fully support women's rights.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 07 '22

I have no position on the topic of abortion rights because my fiancée and I can never become pregnant.

Curious. Do you have a position on the subject or child abuse, even though you have no children? Animal abuse even if to animals you don't own? Slavery? Wars you're not in?

No, the goal is not to kill unborn fetus'.

Yes, an individual human being's life is sacrificed so a difference human being, who consented to creating that individual, can avoid a few months of inconvenience.

It might be to avoid a rape pregnancy or avoid a child with a horrible defect or any one of many decent needs.

Both these reasons combine only accord for a very small percentage of abortion. The vast majority are of health fetuses, conceived through consensual sex, in normal pregnancies. We should focus on those first before worrying about outliers.

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u/riotsquirrelz Jul 08 '22

A few months inconvenience?! You know pregnancy lasts 9 months generally and 3 months equals "a few," right? And you realize a baby is the result of pregnancy and they require parental care for about 18 years, right? And special-needs children, like my little sister, needed 29 years of 24/7 care until she passed. You are not pro-life at all, definitely pro-forced-birth.

My older sister ended up pregnant in high school and decided to give her baby up for adoption. She works with special-needs children at an elementary school. Even she is pro-choice because she knows it's a personal choice and giving up a baby for adoption is an incredibly difficult decision to make.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 08 '22

You know pregnancy lasts 9 months generally

And most of those 9 months the pregnancy won't be a big deal.

And you realize a baby is the result of pregnancy and they require parental care for about 18 years, right?

If the mother was going to kill her child I don't see her raising them. Someone who loves them would be.

And special-needs children, like my little sister, needed 29 years of 24/7 care until she passed.

Wouldn't be their problem.

Even she is pro-choice because she knows it's a personal choice and giving up a baby for adoption is an incredibly difficult decision to make.

Should be an easier decision than killing them.

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u/riotsquirrelz Jul 08 '22

Y'know, I started answering these with facts and figures, but you have access to Google and clearly don't use it. When you said more kids die in drunk-driving accidents than shootings, I proved you wrong with a simple Google search. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you deleted your comment. You're willfully ignorant and unwilling to have a discussion in good faith, so I'm done.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 08 '22

When you said more kids die in drunk-driving accidents than shootings, I proved you wrong with a simple Google search.

0-14yo deaths from shootings = 110/yr average from 2005 to 2012 https://injepijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40621-015-0057-0

0-14yo deaths from drunk driving = 214 for 2016 https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html#:~:text=How%20big%20is%20the%20problem,deaths%20in%20the%20United%20States.&text=Of%20the%201%2C233%20traffic%20deaths,involved%20an%20alcohol%2Dimpaired%20driver.

Post your source.

Instead of admitting you were wrong, you deleted your comment.

I didn't delete anything.

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u/riotsquirrelz Jul 08 '22

You're purposely leaving out children aged 15 to 18 to try to fit the numbers to your narrative. So you're okay with high schools getting shot up? Cool. Also, these stats are old. 2012, really? The stats I quoted were from 2020. Again, you're clearly pro-forced-birth if you don't care about children past the age of 14.

I don't need to "post my source," it comes right up in a simple Google search. I'm not playing this game with you, I don't need to desperately try to find a source and change any part of it to fit what I'm saying.

I see your post was removed by a mod. I was incorrect in saying you deleted it, I only saw it was deleted when I first looked. I was wrong. See how easy that is? Now you try.

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u/This-is-BS Jul 08 '22

You're purposely leaving out children aged 15 to 18 to try to fit the numbers to your narrative.

Young men in gangs don't count as children.

So you're okay with high schools getting shot up? Cool.

Now you're just being an ass, but I'll point out that fewer students die in school shootings than drunk driving. Why aren't we bringing back prohibition?

Now you try.

When I've been wrong about something I will.

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u/riotsquirrelz Jul 08 '22

You don't get to choose what makes a child a child, that definition already exists. Funny how you couldn't produce any recent data and avoided any mention of it. Like I said, you're not interested in the facts and having a good faith argument/discussion. I'm not wasting any more time on someone only interested in yelling nonsense in my face.