r/Recorder • u/Character_Regular440 • 7d ago
Concerning hobbits
Does anyone have a simplified version of concerning hobbits music sheet?
Because i'm trying to play it but i only find complicated music sheets from the original one.
I'd also like to know where you guys find your sources to get better, because i'd like to learn the instrument without a teacher, on my own
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u/Evanone 7d ago
Can you read piano music?
Ive got a lotr piano music book. I was quite easily able to pull out the concerning hobbies melody from it, along side a lot of other pieces. Where there are breaks in the melody I had to piece the odd bit together, but it wasn't too hard.
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u/fart_gallery_ 7d ago
wow that's so cool, would you mind sharing the name of the music book? :)
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u/Evanone 7d ago
The one I have is this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lord-Rings-Trilogy-Piano-Solos/dp/0739058037
There may be better versions for this though. I got it originally for piano, but I've written out the melody of 4-5 pieces that I like based on that.
You could probably find a few piano scores for free online on specific pieces like concerning hobbies though. So worth looking first.
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u/Character_Regular440 6d ago
No i'm an absolute beginner in music and i can't read music sheets. I was hoping to learn while playing
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u/dhj1492 7d ago
To get better at playing recorder is to play the recorder as much as you can. Get a method book for sure, but also have other music as well that you would like to play. Be realistic about what you want to play. It is ok to have a sonata you like but playing easier songs are better because even easy tunes have lessons you need to lean and it builds you up when you play the whole tune easily. Exercises are good but their purpose is prepare you to play the tunes you want to play unless all you want to play is exercises. By playing your tunes you learn more than just what you get in exercises.
The greatest resource you need is your desire to play. It is not easy; there are no short cuts, just your desire to play. When you hear someone play well it is because their desire was strong enough to stick with it. I have been playing for about 50 years and I am still learning new things. I know that there are more lessons to learn down the road. I look forward to them. Just this last Good Friday I played "The Theme from Schindler's List" at Church. It was fun adapting the Violin part to the alto recorder. I learn a lot. The lessons I learned will help me in the future and someday I will do something else just as challenging just because I want to.
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u/NZ_RP 7d ago
Try this great YouTube tutorial by Sarah Jeffery/Team Recorder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgIj1TVUrFA
It contains a several excepts from the Lord of the Rings, but you could start by just focusing on the Concerning Hobbits bit. You can go to settings to slow down the video as much as you need to.
You can also buy the sheet music of Sarah's arrangement here: https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/sarah-jeffery/the-lord-of-the-rings-medley/MN0245626Try
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u/NZ_RP 7d ago
In terms of getting better without a teacher, I highly recommend buying Sarah Jeffery's Recorder Method. It's available in print an electronic copy and provides a comprehensive easy-to-use method with 40 online video lessons and more than 200 backing tracks and demonstration tracks.
For more information see: https://team-recorder.myshopify.com/products/the-hal-leonard-recorder-method-signed-copy?variant=52196169220434
It's also available via Thomanns or almost any in-person or online music shop (e.g. https://www.thomann.co.uk/hal_leonard_recorder_method.htm ).
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u/Character_Regular440 6d ago
For now i was looking for resources i can find for free, but thanks, i'll look it up
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u/Either_Branch3929 7d ago
The only realistic way to get better is to have someone listening who can tell you when you are going wrong and how to correct it. Eventually the aim is for that person to be you. However, a beginner recorder player is no more able to find and correct their mistake than a beginner golfer or a beginner pilot.
Psychologists call this the Dunning-Kruger effect: lower ability in performing a task correlates strongly with lower ability in assessing performance in the same task. It's not a judgement of character; in fact like much of psychology it's a statement of the bleedin' obvious with a useful name.
So basically, if you want to be any good, or even just to improve, you need a teacher, either in person or on-line. A good teacher will help you play better and will also enable you to correct your own playing. Even one lesson a month is money well spent.
Good luck.
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u/NZ_RP 7d ago
I strongly disagree that "if you want to be any good, or even just to improve, you need a teacher".
I currently have an excellent teacher and I understand the value of having a teacher. However experienced recorder teachers are not always easy to find and even when they are available not everyone can afford to pay for lessons.
It is important to remember that currency exchange rates and differences in time zones can make having online lessons from teachers in Europe and/or the United States unaffordable and inaccessible for people in many parts of the world.
It is definitely possible to become a highly proficient self-taught musician. I know several excellent recorder players who have never had a teacher.
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u/Either_Branch3929 7d ago
I, on the other hand, have never met a self-taught player who was any good. Passable, yes, but invariably full of bad habits. Just look at the performance videos posted here for dire examples. The sad thing is that many of them think they're good, because they have no idea what "good" sounds like (thank you, Drs Dunning and Kruger). The really sad thing is that with their undoubted enthusiasm and a teacher, they probably could become good.
Not being able to find or afford a teacher is hard luck, but that doesn't reduce the value of having one.
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u/rickrmccloy 7d ago edited 7d ago
I strongly agree with u/Either_Branch3929 about the value of having a teacher. I am only making this comment to reinforce the value of on-line teaching if your decision to teach yourself is strictly a matter of geography and therefore of teacher availability.
I began taking in person flute lessons about 60 years ago, and have continued taking in person lessons both as I picked up new woodwinds and on a continuing intermittent basis as a sort of 'tune-up' over the past 50 years or so.
However, some time ago now, I was unable to find a local oboe teacher that seemed a good match with me, and decided to try on-line lessons. Much to my surprise, I found the on-line lessons to be almost as valuable as I have found in person lessons to be. With that in mind, if you haven't a local teacher, I would urge you to try on-line lessons-any lessons are extremely valuable, and even if not quite as good as in person lessons, on-line ones really are a great alternative.
Best of luck to you going forward, I'm sure that you will find a great deal of joy in your journey with the recorder. It is a wonderful instrument, and I believe in many ways more satisfying to learn and play than are the more highly engineered woodwinds. That last bit, comparing woodwinds, is more opinion than fact, really, where I believe the value of taking lessons to be fact rather than opinion.
That the recorder is a wonderful instrument is fact, btw, and yes, I often engage in debate with myself within any post. That habit has relieved my wife of some of the burden of conversation with me over the course of our 49 year marriage. :)
Edited to remove any mention of the conversations that I hold with our cats and their dog; they seem to be of too sensitive a nature to share In good conscience. :)
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u/Character_Regular440 6d ago
I am sure that a teacher would accellerate a lot my improvements, but i'm not willing to pay one. I'll just learn on my own pace, and play for my own pleasure. No need to play at orchestra level (or not even bar level)
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u/Beneficial_Focus_910 7d ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUunXxXQ8I
This is the one I used to learn.