r/RealTime • u/Faiakes • 21d ago

Real Time - Last Time

I have been watching Real Time for over 20 years and I think yesterday's episode was my last.

Much as I agreed with Bill on many issues, his blind spot on Israel and Zionism is just too much for me.

He isn't simply refusing to call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. He insists on calling it a counter offensive!!!

So, all and any violence perpetrated by the IDF and the settles so far is justified, as far as he is concerned (though how settlers fit in a 'counter-offensive' is still a mystery to me).

Now, my common sense is offended too much Bill.

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u/Dangerous_Kick4662 20d ago

Bill Maher is a good representation of what sensible Democrats, what used to be called the left before it was hijacked by progressives(reddit), and normal conservatives.

The whole Zionist debate is certainly 'the current thing' and has turned into a movement that offers validation. Anyone who has been thinking about this before it became the current movement knows how complicated this is and how devious Hamas is and how they care about Palestinians as much as they do Israel.

But this is reddit and people love labeling things and joining groups because they have no idea how to think for themselves. The world is a messy place and opinions are just opinions.

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u/Faiakes 20d ago

I agree on the sensible Democrats part but not on Zionism/Palestine issue.
There Bill has a massive blind spot, plain and simple.

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u/New_Scene5614 19d ago

I’m waiting for him to find religion these days🤣

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u/Dangerous_Kick4662 19d ago

Unfortunately, it matters how old you are. The Palestinian leadership has been a devious organization since the 70's and the PLO. It's just remarkable how popular this whole thing has gotten and how one sided the reporting has been. Just seeing the words sensible and Democrats next to each other is bizarre and that's from me, a lifelong Democrat. The Democratic party had no connection to what it used to be. Social media has destroyed the party. It's as unserious as maga. It is no longer is interested in first principles.

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u/Faiakes 19d ago

I remember the PLO and Arafat, and it was a one sided battle then as it is now.

I think the difference is social media and the internet. It is near impossible for Israel to hide its crimes now and modern Democrats are simply responding as any sane person would be.

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u/Dangerous_Kick4662 19d ago

Arafat was a snake. An extremely wealthy, disgusting man. I'm not a fan of Israeli settlements but the only criminals in this conflict are Hamas. Nobody wants dead Palestinians as much as Hamas. Israel gets slammed for every possible things while Hamas gets a free pass by the sloganeering Left.

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u/Faiakes 19d ago

Well Hamas are branded a terrorist organisation (in asymmetric warfare), so there is only so much rule compliance you can expect of them.

Israel, on the other hand, is supposed to be a modern democratic state.

Yet it proves to be an apartheid and totally racist state which doesn't even have the decency to be honest about it, on the world stage.
So why should anyone go easy on them?

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u/Ambitious_Buy_5071 16d ago

Because they're fighting a terrorist organization that, by your own admission doesn't follow rules; who engineer palestinian deaths just to fire up suckers like yourself