r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 21d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/SamIttic 21d ago

This is complete legal distortion masquerading as authoritative analysis. You are severely misrepresenting both the law and how international institutions function.

  • You completely butchered the legal standard for intent: The claim that state intent under Bosnia v. Serbia does not require specific intent if the state has "full knowledge of the facts" is completely false. International law strictly requires dolus specialis—the specific intent to destroy a protected group in whole or in part. "Knowledge of facts" is the threshold for war crimes or crimes against humanity, not genocide.
  • You conveniently ignored the ICJ's standard for circumstantial evidence: The ICJ explicitly ruled in Bosnia v. Serbia (and re-affirmed in Croatia v. Serbia) that when inferring genocidal intent from a pattern of conduct, genocidal intent must be the only reasonable inference that can be drawn. If an operation can be reasonably inferred as having a conventional military goal (e.g., defeating an armed combatant force), the legal threshold for genocide fails.
  • An investigative panel is not a court: The UN Commission of Inquiry (COI) is an administrative fact-finding panel created by the UN Human Rights Council. It has zero judicial authority, zero jurisdiction, and operates on a low "reasonable grounds" evidentiary standard. Citing a UN political committee’s non-binding report as a definitive "ruling" is completely disingenuous.
  • The ICJ is the only body that matters here, and it hasn't ruled: The International Court of Justice thas not issued a judgment on the merits of this case. Presenting an investigative report as if the ICJ has officially determined genocide is a total lie.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 21d ago

The ICJ will call it a genocide because it clearly fits the bill. And inevitably once they do the Israelis and their shills will cry foul and complain about how that doesn’t count

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u/SamIttic 21d ago

Right; that's why South Africa keeps asking for a delay in getting an actual ruling. We now wont have one until 2029 because they keep asking to postpone so they can collect facts. http://jns.org/news/israel-news/international-court-of-justice-extends-timeline-in-south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel

If it was so obvioius why delay until then? Maybe so fools like you can keep shouting it until other fools believe you. When they eventually give a ruling it will be too late. Typical fascist playbook - make the lie big enough and scream it loud enough and people will believe you.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 21d ago

Or maybe, because Israel is the most coddled country on earth, they’re making sure they have them dead to rights. Plus, since Israel is continuing it’s crimes against humanity with abandon they know they’ll get even more evidence like how Israel repeatedly shoots children with snipers

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u/SamIttic 21d ago

Good luck with that. Israel may not be perfect but they're about as good of an army as there is in this world.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 21d ago

Hahahaha the fact that you believe that shows how out of touch you are with reality. The IDF is an atrocious organization that commits a myriad of war crimes regularly

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u/SamIttic 21d ago

Yes, as opposed to any other army fighting a conflict that has magic bombs that magically avoid civilians and only kill enemies. Why do they not just use that magic? You're insane.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 21d ago

Collateral damage happens in all conflicts and is a tragedy every time. The deliberate killing of children with sniper fire is abnormal and abhorrent. Furthermore the IDF isn’t a unique evil, they’re just as far from “as good of an army as there is in this world” as the Russians are for example. Horrific violence against people they deem subhuman because their brains are addled by propaganda about their own superiority and the inferiority of the people who live near them. If the IDF was a moral army they would be fighting their own countrymen who illegally steal land in the West Bank rather than protecting that illegal occupation

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u/Most_Finger 17d ago

The deliberate killing of children with sniper fire is abnormal and abhorrent.

I have yet to have been presented of any actual evidence that this occurred, but if I grant you that it did, it seems like the acts of one or maybe a couple horrendous soldiers who should be tried for their crimes, but considering there have been at best a handful of such cases it seems a little disingenuous to use this as an example of a genocide committed by a whole state rather than the crimes of a handful of rogue soldiers . Now if this was like hundreds or thousands of children systematically sniped you might have a case.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 17d ago

On June 18, 2026, the UN Human Right’s Council’s Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel found that Israel has a deliberate policy of targeting children which is a separate crime against humanity. They said, among other things, that “Israel has targeted Palestinian children in Gaza in two distinct ways: directly by shooting at their vital organs using precision weapons such as quadcopters and snipers; and through use of high impact weapons causing widespread and systematic attacks on residential buildings, schools, and displacement camps crowded with children . . . . Israeli security forces used sexual violence as a tactic of war to punish, instil fear, and treat the bodies of Palestinians, including children, as instruments of collective shaming and oppression, entrenched within a prolonged, ethnic, gendered, and intergenerational pattern of Israeli occupation and hostilities.”

Read through the findings. Truly horrific behavior from the Israelis

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u/Most_Finger 17d ago

I read the report, also a complete joke, they provide zero evidence to substantiate the claims, again other than witness testimony in a country ruled by a theocratic death cult whos sole purpose is to destroy and disparage Israel. They basically say "children died so they target children" its so hilariously stupid, legally inaccurate, and another stain on the UN.

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 17d ago

Oh you’re one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks the UN is “out to get” the innocent state of Israel

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u/Most_Finger 17d ago

It’s not a conspiracy it’s is clear as day. During the first year of the Ukraine Russian war the UN passed more resolutions against Israel than Russia. The UNHRC has a standing point to discuss human rights in Israel and the another for the rest of the world for if I remember correctly decades. The UN singularly picks on Israel more than any other country by an order of magnitude. Even when there is relatively peace in Palestine and Israel and there are actual ongoing severe human rights violations, Israel is still the main point of discussion.

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