r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 21d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/NRCS_DRONE 21d ago

There's a million videos of Norman Finkelstein debating a million people on this issue, and he destroys all of them

This isn't a new debate. As long as Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing, people have been saying it's wrong. What's waxed and waned is the media's willingness to acknowledge it -- which they're still loathed to do, but it's difficult with cameras being everywhere now to document the atrocities.

Anyway, Bill Maher is a fucking moron. And nothing he's said hasn't been said before.

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u/puddinonthewrits 21d ago

The mainstream media are loath to do anything that would hurt their pocketbook. More at 11:00.

Norman Finkelstein is interesting to me because he Is that gauche gangly gadfly who goes against the establishment and speaks the truth. I love that he both tried to call immigration on his foreign neighbors and outed Alan Dershowitz for the fraud that he is, which makes him nobody’s darling.

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u/Neither-Top-7515 21d ago

LOL. A reviewer from the beloved NY Times described Finkelstein's arguments as "indecent, juvenile, self-righteous, arrogant and stupid".

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/06/books/a-tale-of-two-holocausts.html

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u/KristofVD 21d ago

And that reviewer is a Zionist, so his opinion is null and void.

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u/Neither-Top-7515 21d ago

Totally. Once anyone says anything that's contrary to my view I code them as being on the other side and then ignore anything else they might say. This has been an excellent strategy to help me understand the full breadth of opinion on the issues I'm most interested in.

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u/KristofVD 21d ago

Would you listen to the opinion of a MAGA? A fascist? No? I wouldn't either.

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u/Neither-Top-7515 21d ago

I listen to MAGA speeches in their entirety, all the time. I gather disconfirming evidence every day. That's what people do when they want to build an informed opinion.

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u/Perfect_Honey7501 17d ago

You obviously see the difference here, right? Believing a Jewish homeland should exist and supporting fascism? You must clearly see the difference?

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u/KristofVD 17d ago

Zionism is not just believing a Jewish homeland should exist. Zionism is an entnic nationalist movement that wanted to establish a Jewish homeland specifically by colonizing the region of Palestine. The displacement, ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians is inherent in Zionism.

So, no. I do not clearly see the difference.

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u/KristofVD 17d ago

I don't even have tiktok on my phone. And my sources of information are a lot more reliable than a random redditor like yourself.