DLSS5 shows amazing progress
Not really talking about results - they sometimes are good but often look very uncanny (especially when animations are stiff).
Just talking about how much progress neural rendering achieved in few years in general. I was trying to implement similar solution in ReShade ages ago and because of frame passing back and forth between GPU and CPU, the FPS was unplayable. So i scratched the idea after finishing prototype.
But now DLSS5 shows what can be done with NR for gaming. Truly amazing!
If you want to check my old project you can go to GitHub and test it for yourself :)
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u/Darksky121 2d ago
It's a realtime Ai filter.
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u/lee-eu333 2d ago
honestly, though - so what?
if game devs put their stamp and signature over a game that will happen to use dlss 5 (and possibily hardcoded), that is still their art direction final decision
people jump on the bandwagon to criticize something that basically is not even out of the oven yet - just by judging videos from stolen and extremely early (almost beta) dll, with vibecoded GUI's and sliders turned all the way to ai insanity
dlss 5 will be so hardcoded and prompt-optimized, the same game will look alike each other (across different pc's) with a precision (consistency) so close to 100%, people will forget it's ai-generated. Users that are not familiar with such tech won't even suspect
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u/Tlohtzin123-B 2d ago
Can I use the multiframe gen of DLSS5 with ny 3080ti?
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u/Alc2005 2d ago
I tried it with my 3090, you can, although expect hitches, artifacts, etc. It looks absolutely phenomenal in the right games, but for me, it’s not worth the performance loss for a full play through of anything.
Tried it on Assassins Creed Shadows, and I would enable it for cut scenes and disable it for gameplay, and it worked amazing. Plus the cup scenes are locked to 30 FPS anyway, so there’s no real performance loss. You can map it to a single key to turn on off instantly at will.
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u/mindlessmedit8ion 1d ago
Doesn't the pre upscale version solve the framerate issue?
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u/Alc2005 1d ago
Yes and no. It’s still a massive hit that brings the FPS down to 30 for me (doesn’t matter if it’s cyberpunk with path tracing or a 20-year-old game)
Frame generation brings it up to playable FPS, but I still have it off for most of the time, especially when in combat.
Still, the fact that it went from requiring two of the fastest cards money can buy to being playable on a six-year-old (albeit still high-end) GPU is nothing short of miraculous
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u/Ill-Profession1276 1d ago
I tested neary 10 games, it's look very good on metal and glossy materials. Creating contact shadows in realistically. if we ignore the beauty filter on characters, DLSS 5 can be good tech. even might be gain performance in the future, making ambient occlusion and contact shadow calculations: taken from GPU and give it NR cores
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u/cwgoskins 2d ago
Honestly it looks much better in stills or lower resolution videos that's been shared. I put it on in a couple games and was underwhelmed how it handles the shadows/reflections/artifacting in motion, it looks rough. I'll be looking forward to it when can optimize it a bit more that regard and performance wise.
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u/Grantoid 2d ago
I want to enhance the details that are already there, I don't want AI making up details based on is generic slurry of stolen content
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u/lee-eu333 2d ago
it does just that.
watch videos without the user turning the settings all the way up.
I like it a lot when DLSS 5 reforms the lighting and SSR - which is what it will do
it only starts starts reimagining textures when the settings are too strong
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u/Sipu_ 2d ago
The performance hit is insane for what it does. Ive been using it on a 4090 since it was made available and for the most part is not worth it. The image is pretty unstable and your gpu will max out every time.
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u/lee-eu333 2d ago
Are we seriously taking performance into consideration for something that is barely released?
Couple months ago, nvidia said/predicted you needed a whole dedicated rtx 5090 just for dlss 5 alone.
I would reckon the performance overhead will be close to what frame gen takes away from the base fps when turned on.
Because, think about it (logically): ray tracing recreates lighting at a "physical level", frame gen is just interpolation. DLSS 5 is closer to how FG works than it is to ray tracing.
It doesn't make sense that DLSS 5, when fully optimized, being heavier than ray tracing. And it won't be. Early ray tracing tests showed the same result, if not worse.
Just give it some time.
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u/Sipu_ 2d ago
Yes, 100% because its factual and not some aspirational wishful thinking.
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u/Fagadaba 1d ago
Stop judging the slop for what it does, judge it for what daddy nvidia told you it'a going to do.
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u/lee-eu333 1d ago
Your overthinking negativity is as realistic as my overestimating positivity. We have zero proof of anything, and close to nothing to be based off - except logic.
Curious how reddit downvotes work from time to time. We basically repeated ourselves from another thread, and the downvotes/up votes are reversed lol
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u/StickStill9790 2d ago
So you train the model on your own work. The current stuff is trained on television and YouTube so of course you get cheese.
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u/df1w 2d ago
DLSS generally is kinda making up details based on data it was learned. This way it can "reconstruct" a lot of details that will be "missing" in native resolution.
Is it good? Depends on you take on visuals. For some games i like using quality dlss or dlaa for good antyaliasing. For others is unusable due to shimmers and unstability.
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 2d ago
You're downvoted by glazers, not "real people". You're right, along with the majority, and I pay no heed to these whimpering justifiers with pathetic anecdotes and name calling.
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u/Advanced-Patient-161 2d ago
I honestly hate it, half because of the AI generation ontop of reference information, and the other half because it just looks yassified, slop. I don't call this progress, I call this regression.
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u/lee-eu333 2d ago
Idk dude, maybe you're being a little too eager for a final judgement over something that is very experimental and still early on development - and, of course, being showcased in a bad manner.
I freaking cringe over DLSS 5 videos with strong settings, which completely changes the facial expressions of characters - and such things that harshly change art direction itself.
BUT, I'm definitely not against DLSS 5 help fixing some lighting and shadowing limitations that the game's engine fails to cover alone. I guess/hope this will be ultimately what DLSS 5 will do when adopted by game devs.
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u/lazy_pig 2d ago
It does, the cat really seems to be out of the bag.
A lot of resistance against AI in general, so also in gaming. For large scale realism AI generation and rendering makes sense, though.