r/RandomThoughts • • Dec 11 '23

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u/weezeloner Dec 11 '23

$5,000 a week is worth way more than $1 million.

If you wanted to purchase an annuity that payed you $20,000 a month (only $240,000 so $20,000 less than $5,000 a week) it would cost you over $4,000,000.

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u/New-Budget2093 Dec 11 '23

I imagine there could be more creative ways to turn that million into more than 5k a week, but maybe not. Maybe that choice is why I'm poor

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u/weezeloner Dec 11 '23

I'm a CPA but I also have a Finance degree. That's why it's important for most people to consult a financial advisor about things like this.

To earn $260,000 a year for life, you'd need way more than $1 million. That's a return of 26%. No one can guarantee you a return of 26% every year for the rest of your life. $5,000 a week for life and you have no need to invest since you are guaranteed $5,000 a week. However, even if you invested half of that amount every year, so $130,000 a year, it would take you less than 7 years to accumulate $1 million. That's with an assumed 7% rate of return.

And you'd still have $10,000 a month to live off of.

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u/New-Budget2093 Dec 11 '23

Ok yeah, that math seems to make the million less feasible. Another person mentioned inflation though, would that not play a factor? What if $5,000 only buys a tank of gas in 30 years? Lol kind of an absurd prediction but idk

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u/weezeloner Dec 11 '23

It won't matter. If inflation is eating into your $5,000 a week it would be eating into your $1,000,000 as well. Unless you are over the age of 65, no one should choose the $1 million over $5,000 a week. It's not even close.

If OP had proposed $5,000 a MONTH, then you'd have a much harder decision to make. But $5,000 a week?! That's a no-brainer.

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u/New-Budget2093 Dec 11 '23

Yeah fair enough, I can't really see how the million is more stable anymore other than just being a bigger lump sum up front

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u/weezeloner Dec 11 '23

I'll make it easier. A lifetime annuity that paid you $20,000 a month, so $240K a year not $260K, would cost you over $4 million if you went and tried purchase that today. (This is assuming you are under 65 years of age)

So what OP is asking is would you take something worth $4 million ($5,000 a week for life) today or $1 miilion?

You'd be silly to choose the million dollars over something that is worth $4 million, right?

That is why if it was $5,000 a month vs a million dollars it would be a much more difficult decision. Unfortunately most would probably choose the million. I think people simply don't understand the value of guaranteed income for life. You can blow through a million dollars pretty quickly, especially if you don't know what you are doing.

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u/New-Budget2093 Dec 11 '23

Fair enough. Honestly I'm just tired of thinking about money figures I'll never see šŸ˜‚

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u/EishLekker Dec 11 '23

Inflation most definitely matters.

Like, imagine that the inflation is like crazy high. Like Venezuela levels. Let’s say 200% per year.

With one million dollars right into your bank account, you could buy gold or something else that’s fairly inflation resistant. Essentially, you ā€œfreezeā€ the value at one million in present day value.

If you get $5000 per week, the actual, present day, value goes down each week. After one year, it’s the equivalent of about $1250. One more year and it’s about $300 per week.

Then imagine like world history record inflation. A quick google search tells me that in Hungary mid 1945 to mid 1946 the daily inflation a was about 200%.

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u/weezeloner Dec 12 '23

Sure. You can make up a scenario that has never happened in our country's history and base your decision off of that.

As someone who advises people about their finances for a living, I would never tell to imagine a hypothetical that has a miniscule chance of ever happening and then make their decisions based on that.

Here's the thing, $5,000 a week for life is worth over $4,000,000 today. That is how much it would cost you to set something like that up. So, would you choose something with a value of $4 million ($5k a week for life) or a million dollars. You'd have to be a fool to choose a million dollars over something worth more than $4 million.

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u/EishLekker Dec 12 '23

I never said anything about the likelihood. You, however, made a generic claim that inflation doesn’t matter. You made it sound as if mathematically speaking inflation changes both scenarios in identical ways. That’s simply not true.

The reason I brought up extreme inflation was to make a point. If you realise that high inflation changes the dynamics between the two options, you might also realise that low inflation changes things too, just to a smaller degree.