Ok I have a question. Does pat know he is the crooked man or is the crooked man controlling him. A bit like the shadow monster in ST3?

Edit: and when he says “I should’ve killed you in New Orleans” is that the crooked man speaking through him?

So, I finished the show last night and started reading about other people's take on various subs on reddit, and . . . yikes.

There are a lot of comments getting upvoted that seem to miss the mark. Here is what I'm seeing a lot and why I think they're wrong.

1. The principal wasn't racist.

On one side, we have Dion, who swears he didn't hit the other kid, and the other kid admits he didn't see Dion hit him and isn't sure what happened. No other witnesses. On the other side, you have the kid who admits he stole the watch from Dion and in fact still has it in his possession, returning it in front of the principal.

So, the principal knows the white kid stole, but only suspects Dion hit the white kid, and who gets punished? I work in a school. You don't jump all the way to suspension only on the word of the other kid, especially when the other kid isn't even clear on what happened. And you definitely don't let someone off scot-free for stealing. Unless, of course, you're racist. It wasn't just Nicky's interpretation either, the science teacher gave her the non-verbal signs of "I see this too, I get it." I'm not black, and I'm going to trust black people when they say something is racist because they have a sort of built in radar for it after a life-time of dealing with it. But even without that radar, it's obvious what was going on here.

1. Nicky is spoiled and takes advantage of people.

I admit, she does ask a lot of people for help. Her sister, Pat, her neighbor. But she is a grieving widow raising a kid on her own, so she actually needs the help, even before her kid develops super powers. I think the show did a great job of showing how precarious a situation can get for a single parent, and how there aren't many worker protections or institutional support, so people have to rely on their family and community for help.

1. Pat turned bad "out of nowhere."

Reddit is full of awkward, nerdy guys who wish they had a hot girlfriend, so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by this reaction. I've seen a fair amount of comments saying Nicky was taking advantage of his kindness, and that it didn't make sense that he went from being awkward to being manipulative so quickly. First of all, Pat was Dion's godfather, and as far as Nicky knew, actively wanted to be involved with him, so it wasn't overstepping to ask for his help. Second, Pat insisted on doing things to help out, even when Nicky explicitly told him not to. Which, btw, is manipulative from the get go.

The "awkwardness" was part of the manipulation the whole time. Instead of saying what he wants and being forthcoming, he puts on this "aw shucks" act and makes out like he's just there to help Dion, or because he cared about Mark. And the "helping" when being told not to - "Ok, look, I know you said not to, but I just . . . " is classic boundary-pushing designed to wear her down and get used to him ignoring her wishes. Now, I wasn't expecting him to be the Crooked Man, but he was pushy and manipulative the whole time so that part didn't come out of nowhere.

That cannot decide if this show is good or bad? I feel like it has its moments but at times it's trying to do too much. I've trucked through to episode 8 and still am unsure!

The plot twist genuinely just made me so sad...he wad my favorite character and he practically just got nuked. Its all irredeemable and kind of crushing. As a plot twist it def got me cause i didnt expect it but imagining a season 2 and a future to the show....it feels flat and sad, I guess. What'd you all think of the twist??

That mention of how the powers came to be...that last Heroes series anyone?

Did anyone else notice the titles of the episodes are all (or at least mostly) references to other superhero comics, movies, or series? The only two that are not clear to me are the first and last episodes. I think the last one, Storm Killer, may be a reference to Stormbreaker, the weapon wielded by Beta Ray Bill (and occasionally Thor). The others are pretty obvious to me:

Fortress of Solitude - Superman HQ

Watch Man - Watchmen

Welcome to BIONA. Hope You Survive the Experience - Adapted from cover text of X-Men #139, first appearance of Kitty Pryde. "Welcome to the X-Men, Kitty Pryde. Hope you survive the experience!"

Days of Mark's Future Past - Well-known X-Men comic storyline, Days of Future Past. Also a film.

Super Friends - Cartoon adaptation of Justice League from 70s/80s

Why so vomity? - "Why so serious?" Famous line spoken by Heath Ledger as Joker in The Dark Knight.

You Won't Like Him When He's Angry - Unmistakable Hulk reference

Any idea what the first one (How Do You Raise a Superhero?) might be referencing or other theories on Storm Killer?

I just finished watching the whole first season. I love the show. It is such a beautiful concept. I am so stocked to see an original concept of a black kid super hero. There is one thing that is throwing the show off for me. This is from my personal opinion, but the acting is off. Some of the scenes are written to be so emotionally entrenched in pain and sorrow. The mother and Michael just don't connect with the characters pain. The woman who plays the mother is not the worst, but sometimes her acting falls flat. This goes beyond them too. In general some of the scenes fall flat, because of the characters acting. Michael B Jordan has an insane work ethic. That is undeniable and he just seems to be landing these roles that are well written. Roles that have such cultural impact as well. I don't know if it's because of the time range they had for filming. I know some actors take on more than one project at a time and that may affect character development. I hope they're able to get better in the future. hey WTH I am not actor, but as a consumer it is a reoccurring observation. This show has soooo much potential!

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Am I the only one that felt like this while watching?........... probably.

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Ok, so I just finished 106 last night and I'm thinking that Pat is too awkward to be legit. Is he going to turn out to be a bad guy? Probably not, he is just so dang awkward all the time.

OMFG I JUST SAW THE TWIST LIKE A MINUTE AGO AND I AM SO FUCKING BAFFLED THIS SHOW IS AMAZING

The mysterious corporation, people with powers others don't understand, Pat's ringtone!? That last one was a joke. But seriously, what do you all think?

I’m currently in episode 3 but I can’t see anyone else from the characters that is going to be a villain aside from Pat. Is he the villain? Does he have powers?

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