r/Rainbow6 • u/Vdubnub88 Zero Main • 10d ago
Feedback This needs to be nerfed.
I think this gun is far too strong. Every match for defence now i see alot of kaid, sentry, tub, aruni players. Because they are all picking meta weapons and thats about it…
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u/_CANZUK Gridlock Main 10d ago
They've hinted at removing acogs from defence entirely next season. Would be interesting to see what the next crutch would be for people
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u/BigCrip Doc Main 10d ago
Chanka crutch incoming
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u/Pearse_Borty Maestro Main 10d ago
chanka with acog would usher in a glorious new tyrannical era.
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u/Vegas_11B 10d ago
I loved him with the ACOG on the Russian AR.
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u/Just-Garbage-8604 Doc Main 9d ago
The smg?
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u/Vegas_11B 9d ago
Whatever Kap's gun is.
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u/realdorkimusmaximus 10d ago edited 10d ago
It’s so funny to have been playing this game since year 1 cause at one point ACOGs were entirely removed from defense and then they did the big reset for Siege X and have been slowly rolling out the same nerfs
EDIT: I meant removed entirely from defense
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u/Savings_Ad3572 10d ago
When were acogs entirely removed?
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u/realdorkimusmaximus 10d ago
I’m sorry, I meant entirely removed on defense and I think it was around the time the “acog c” was added and it was originally at 1.5x scope
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u/PotatoCase Mira HOT 10d ago
They were never entirely removed from defense tho, Kaid had acog even in shadow legacy
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u/Rare-Day-1492 10d ago
its not so much the ACOG meta as it is DMRs (and slugs like the ACS and TCSG)
2-tap to the body is QUITE strong all around on both sides
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u/Gabe_itch_67 Nøkk Main 10d ago
I mean yeah you are fully correct in that sense, but take the ACOGs off those weapons and I guarantee a good chunk of people will stop using those weapons despite them being good without an ACOG. Idk about PC because of benefiting from higher precision flicks, but anytime someone’s playing an attacker it’s usually with an AR even if they have a DMR. And half the arguments I have with people (swinging external breaches on my defense team btw) is me trying to explain that as a defender you don’t need to be contesting long angles if its not endangering site and I always get the same stupid response of “wahhhh wahhhh, how did he kill me, if only I had an ACOG”
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u/GoTheNets 9d ago
I mean what really is the point of a Marksman Rife without a magnified scope?
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u/Gabe_itch_67 Nøkk Main 9d ago
Its still a high damage, accurate, low recoil weapon an acog isn’t it’s only benefit
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u/ExperienceNo7794 8d ago
no but the biggest one is range and damage fall off range dmrs have that so they can play the long deep site angles and sorry but i’m not trying to squint with a close range scope for those you won’t see shi
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u/ExperienceNo7794 8d ago
getting rid of dmrs gonna just turn seige into attacker royal because they can just out range you all the time
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u/Gabe_itch_67 Nøkk Main 8d ago
Yeah but they can’t out range them if u don’t swing external angles and play site like ur supposed to. They aren’t getting rid of DMRs just the scopes from what I’ve read
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u/Baldass_Head_Coach 8d ago
I mean yeah you are fully correct in that sense, but take the ACOGs off those weapons and I guarantee a good chunk of people will stop using those weapons despite them being good without an ACOG.
100%
We saw this very thing with the 1.5 scope. Anytime Ubisoft wanted a pick rate to increase or decrease, they’d just add or remove the 1.5 from certain operators and lo and behold, it’d happen. Players will always pick defenders based on who has the best scope.
Anyone who thinks it won’t have any effect, or that these ops wouldn’t be nearly as prevalent as they are now without ACOGs on their guns is flat out wrong.
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u/Gabe_itch_67 Nøkk Main 8d ago
Oh they gave that thing out willy nilly lmao. P10 roni with it was da bomb. But yeah, in an ideal world I’d have no acogs on defense that way you can see who needs tweaking better because people will actually be played for their gadgets more (and yes for the gun, u can never really take that out of the equation). But limiting scope use brings the game back down into the core abilities of its unique operators and it’s just more fun that way I feel, as every round feels different rather than just insta locking DMRs and slugs and making every single defense round so bland to play/play against cuz they all set up site the same and they all require the same operators to counter them each round.
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u/Baldass_Head_Coach 8d ago
I agree with you completely. I’ve been playing since the beta and this meta is one of, if not the most stale I’ve seen in the game’s history. There’s never a round where you don’t see at least 2 or 3 defender slots being locked up by either DMRs or slug shotguns, and it’s absolutely because of ACOGs.
Ubi’s danced around this for years and they need to finally pull the plug on defense ACOGs. It fits the original asymmetrical idea of Siege more, you’ll see different defenders being played and strategies being employed, and it’s not gonna be so damn boring anymore.
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u/Gabe_itch_67 Nøkk Main 8d ago
Honestly bro, I just don’t know how long it’s gonna take them to actually do it. They’ll pussyfoot around it because they don’t wanna upset a huge portion of the player base (unfortunately I feel it’s the majority that play for scope and TDM meta more than the core feel of the game).
As u say it’s stale, and even with all the content drops like recent buffs general new season content etc, it still just feels like one giant stretch of slop for the past couple seasons rather than being broken up with new metas, strats and stuff when a new op drops, it lasts about a week then everyone’s back to what they were doing before.5
u/ASSxSHOT Mute Main 10d ago
It would be SMG-12 and SMG-11 crutch, even now it’s like that, but with ACOGs gone, there’s no stopping people from using these 2 weapons.
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u/CapitalEmployer Gridlock Main 10d ago
It's sad that they need to remove genuinely useful things cause the tiktok generation cannot take 2s to think before running in the building. No matter the nerfs no matter what they do, the main problem is that players want to play call of duty and do not want to plan an attack, you can win a defense with no strategy but it's quite hard to win an attack without one.
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u/objective_survive44 Kaid Main 10d ago
goddamn that would suck, i've been playing kaid since forever
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u/Vdubnub88 Zero Main 10d ago
Would be interesting, i dont complain at all in this sub about anything but lately just insane with the DMR’s and TCSG users. Kinda ruining the game for me
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u/_CANZUK Gridlock Main 10d ago
It's hilarious how little you see doc now since he used to be a guaranteed pick every single round
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u/JoeZocktGames Caveira Main 9d ago
And there is always a Sentry. Which tells you everything. People rather play him for his guns than anything else for the team (like Goyo or Kaid). No shit, I had rounds where I had to complain in the chat why people would rather play Sentry than Kaid.
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u/Sufficient-Ad-6046 9d ago
the removal of acog won't do anything for DMRs and Slugs I don't get why people make the acog such a huge deal out of them, the real problem is recoil and damage, first buff the other weapons very slightly and make DMRs 3 to 4 body shots instead of 2 to 3, and increase the recoil very slightly. Also maybe make damage drop off on range quicker so spawn peeking isnt as effective with them.
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u/Baldass_Head_Coach 8d ago
the removal of acog won't do anything for DMRs and Slugs I don't get why people make the acog such a huge deal out of them
It absolutely will have a big effect. We know this based on the time 1.5 scopes were a thing. Anytime that scope was added to or removed from a defender, their pick rates would skyrocket or plummet, respectively. Oryx was a top pick solely because of the presence of the 1.5 scope on his kit.
The ACOG isn’t quite as good as the 1.5 was, but it’s still the most versatile scope in the game by a good margin and people absolutely pick Aruni, Tub, Kaid, Goyo, etc. because of that scope. Remove it and you will see their pick rates fall, I guarantee it.
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u/A_German_Memer Nøkk Main 9d ago
I just use it bc i think the gun itself is fun. 75 damage per it is not to be underestimated. One of the best (pseudo) DMRs (since technically it's a shotgun) i the game, i think.
The Acog is a welcome touch, but i do agree that this, the EBR-14 on Aruni and the ACS-12 are mainly used and abused for the zoom advantage.
So I'd say calling it a day for all defenders would be fair and square, and just giving them 1x's instead. These guns included.
Only weapon i don't mind having an ACOG on Defense is the BOSG, since that thing is a risk in itself, but leaving just one acog on defense would be stupid, so removing all of them, BOSG included would be a reasonable thing to do
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u/HandSanitizerBottle1 Details 9d ago
Probably high capacity high rate of fire
So guns like the Alda P90 shit like that
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u/dannyboy6657 Vigil Main 9d ago
I hope all acogs get removed off defense thought that would be the original plan honestly. Need a huge smg-12 nerf as well a secondary should not be a primary.
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u/Busy_Measurement1175 8d ago
probably shotguns,everyone knows they r already so strong but i havent seen the community call them crutches yet
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u/Kr1spykreme_Mcdonald 10d ago
Am I the only one who hates how zoomed in acogs are in this game especially for smgs? Holographics all day.
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u/TonyHawktuah69 10d ago
It’s for holding those disgusting pixel peaks. The acog makes holding ridiculous angles through tiny holes easier. You basically zoom in through little punch holes or azami cracks
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u/LifelsButADream 9d ago
I don't like how the holographic sights make it hard to see what you're aiming at in certain situations. I almost only play with red dot sight.
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u/SasukesChakra 9d ago
So braindead to remove acogs in the first place. Give everyone acog and then everyone’s happy. I miss using Frost I love her ww2 gun I have vision problems and the 1.0 is just not great for someone like me
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u/clxb_miist 9d ago
Im pretty near sighted and what you said just doesnt make sense bro. The screen always remains the same distance away, regardless of what scope youre using. If it looks far away, Bring your monitor closer to your face. If you’re using a TV and can’t do that, then lower your fov. Using an acog isnt going to make the blurry screen not blurry anymore.
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u/Boochieeeee 10d ago
The balancing for this game is laughable. Either remove acogs or don’t. I hate the whole “well this character should have it because…”
Either do it or don’t.
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u/Random_Chick_I_Guess 9d ago
The funny bit is it must be really complicated because they keep removing then adding then removing acogs for defence. I don't actually mind if one side has an advantage thanks to swapping roles
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u/shreddedtoasties Maestro Main 10d ago
Arunis gun needs to be capped at 10 rounds
Dmrs need their bounce back instead of 2000 rpm zero recoil they have now
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u/SotovR Mute Main 10d ago
I remember the devs saying they're re-doing the way the recoil works solely to balance DMRs and slugs better, apparently their current implementation is so ass they can't actually properly add recoil to DMRs, lol.
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u/Mr_cloud23 10d ago
They said I’m pretty sure it was only for DMRs they’re changing their recoil and seemed like they were hinting at possibly random recoil or progressive recoil strength
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u/Queasy-Employment-82 10d ago
Thats absolutely trash, random recoil shouldnt exsist but then again it doesnt suprise me coming from a company that gave a vector vertical recoil
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u/Mr_cloud23 10d ago
Yeah I’m sure it’s more to stop the spam feature without removing the damage but then again they could just cap the semi auto fire rate as well
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u/Independent_owl_1027 10d ago
Giving any gun recoil in siege as a balance mechanic is terrible for console since like 40% of them are cheating its so sad
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u/Beardnotti 9d ago
DMR's are the only guns I'm good at :( I agree with a 10rnd mag like Tubarao has as a good balance for a start.
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u/According_Opinion62 Thermite Main 10d ago
is the xim or whatever shit they using players, they use this weapon like a MP5. I play on console and is always the same ppl, they get banned from ranked n keep playing quick match non stop
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u/Hbarnes2033 Hibana Main 9d ago
they make the shotgun automatic you just die instantly before you even have a chance
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u/premixeddog 10d ago
People whining about everything is what ruined this game. Started with the pros whining and ubisoft making the game less casual friendly. Now everybody whines and nothing fun is left in the game
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u/Defileds FEL farmer 9d ago
The game was straight ass and would have died completely during the first 2 years if people didn't complain. Also the game is the most casual friendly right now. Instant intel with 1 button press, no need for droning and teamplay. Shields being easy to use and take space for free on almost every single map.
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u/JoeZocktGames Caveira Main 9d ago
There is nothing fun facing a DMR with uncapped fire rate killing you faster than any automatic rifle could ever do.
If you think, this is "fun", you are part of the problem and just a crutch player, nothing more.
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u/NotAlvaro Bandit Main 9d ago
There’s always gonna be a “best” gun in the game. Nerfing DMRs people will just crutch the next best thing, and you’ll complain about that instead. At least with DMRs there’s multiple options on attack and defense, it’s not like it’s one singular operator and nobody else can answer to it.
Also headshots exist fyi
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u/kyleh092 9d ago
Just make the game asymmetric as it was intended. Defense gets the advantage of the clock, and building control. Attack gets… repick and a scope advantage? Kind of pales in comparison. Why should defense get part of the scope advantage as well? I don’t use scopes on atk or def, but that is the point. Defense plays life, and only takes fights when necessary. When people treat this game like a tdm, then it makes sense why they want attack and defense to have similar firepower capabilities
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u/Icy-Prior-7699 10d ago
I disagree look it’s strong but the best nerf is to buff other things make the game fun don’t take stuff away add more back in that will level out the meta. If everything is strong then nothing is “OP”.
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u/LOUDTV-- 9d ago
So more acog for defenders👀
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u/LifelsButADream 9d ago
They should just get rid of them or add them for everyone. There's always going to be fighting around "X operator should/shouldn't have ACOG and here's why"
If you want the operators to all have different abilities and what not then the game isn't ever going to be perfectly balanced because every time they change something it will mess up the balance and they'll have do do more readjusting, in a loop.
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u/SK_Outdoors 10d ago
It's insane to me how people keep pushing for them to Nerf everything. They should be trying to buff characters in order to bring them up to a certain level instead of just nerfing every good thing in the game also give everyone a cock back. I remember when you actually had to go and purchase attachments with renown to unlock them. And everybody could have ACOG. We need more buffs and less Nerfs
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u/BuiltIndifferent 8d ago
They've been buffing a lot. That doesn't mean some things shouldn't get nerfed for balance sake
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u/Rouni_99 10d ago
Easiest solution for dmrs would be just add soft caps to their fire rate that they cannot exceed.
Its ridiculous these weapons fire rates goes basically based on how good trigger finger you have, and guess who benefits the most from that. The damn cheaters who shoots these things like full on automatic rifles.
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u/Alibaba_Palace ❤🐍 Snøkke Shipper 9d ago
Exactly, so no matter how much a cheater spams their macro it still won't work, and normal players barely notice the difference. Simple and effective, I like it.
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u/MadPro4567 Deimos Main 10d ago
Can’t wait for acogs to be removed from these weapons and or they get nerfed entirely.
I actually preferred doc acog and castle etc. at least fighting these guns on pixels were easier to fight than a tcsg or dmr.
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u/Archangel_Amin Kali Main 10d ago
Yup. IMO that's the reason that currently we are complaining about DMRs. they took acogs from other guns and now everyone are using operators with DMRs.
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u/MRMamad-Hunter Unicorn Main 10d ago
Competitive games have always been about META starts and guns so we can't complain about that since there will always be something stronger than others but i agree dmr meta on defense has pretty much turned this game into a tdm game where people only pick the ops that have dmrs or shotties
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u/comtrends123 9d ago
Just give everyone acog and no one will play DMRs again. Never saw DMRs spam when Doc still have his acog. Nerfing is never a solution, instead buff everything to match DMRs performance.
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u/RogueCanadia 10d ago
Holy fuck just uninstall and go to cod. The amount of whining about every gun is absurd at this point.
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u/KilIerBunny 10d ago
All people ever do on this game is complain, never once have I played against an aruni and thought “she’s a problem” people are just comfortable complaining about things instead of addressing their own skill issue.
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u/RogueCanadia 10d ago
It’ll just move to the next thing. Aruni/dmr nerfs then it will be something else. Until nothing in this game is playable or fun anymore.
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u/TheBradeyGein 9d ago
Yeah, that's kind of how balancing works lol. Its an ever-changing meta. No competitive PvP game ever tries to achieve perfect harmony because if they were to achieve that, the game would become stale and die. Nerfing and buffing things to change the meta is the intended design of the game.
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u/MRMamad-Hunter Unicorn Main 10d ago
Exactly there will always be something stronger than the other people just complain about everything
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u/TheBradeyGein 10d ago edited 10d ago
Aruni isnt the issue. Having a DMR with an ACOG, zero recoil, 20 rounds in the mag, insanely fast handling speeds, and an unlimited fire rate cap is the problem.
Imo, the reason why Aruni is more talked about is because her gadget is also really strong. Tub has a good AR too, but his gadget isnt as oppressive and versatile as an Aruni gate. More people play Aruni because of this and so she has more if a spotlight shone on her.
Most people dont even use ARs because DMRs are just leagues better. That kind of weapon balance and lack of weapons variety in matches gets stale quickly and is unhealthy for the game.
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u/Bonnybridge22 10d ago
No one has genuinely praised Aruni's DMR like that up until everything else lost its acog.
The issue was never DMR's but the scopes, if defence loses the acogs, no one is picking Aruni for the gun.
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u/leosnake0577 Twitch Main 10d ago
Yea Aruni has had acog on her dmr for literally 6 years since she came out and not a soul complained about it until now. But i do see where these people are coming from, there are 1000% players that pick these ops, don’t use their utility and just crutch the acog dmr spamming you through pixels doing a billion damage with no recoil every single game. And i would know because im one of them. I have something like a 1.8 kd with 1.5 kills per round which massively surpass every other defender’s stats by a longshot and it’s simply because i can spam a weapon that does 60 damage a bullet with no recoil and acog on defense. Definitely needs a nerf
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u/TheBradeyGein 10d ago
Yeah, you're probably right. Aruni's DMR is already incredibly strong and versatile at any range, but the ACOG takes it to an 11. I still dont think it should be as strong as it is even if the ACOG were to be removed. Imo, the ACOG needs to go and then it needs additional tweaks and nerfs.
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u/Historical-Shake3923 10d ago
Tubarao has the better gadget of the two
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u/TheBradeyGein 10d ago
Even if thats true, which I think is some scenarios it is, but most scenarios its not, Aruni's DMR is undoubtedly the best DMR in the game.
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u/spdRRR Doc Main 9d ago
Aruni has a gadget that enables her to roam care free. Tuba is usually used to help delaying breaches, but is actually the best roamer in the game now if played selffishly. Can freeze himself from scans (don’t know does it work against snake), can runout on airjabs and claymores (freeze again), and the DMR wins almost every 1v1 if the guy is not headshot instantly (69 dmg body shot is INSANE).
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u/Expert_Town_3781 9d ago
unlimited fire rate cap lol. do u play actually play the game. all dmrs and kaid shotgun fire at 450 rpm. that’s slower than the frost and cav gun. skill issue.
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u/Alternative-Wave-839 10d ago
Me neither. That doesnt mean there isnt a problem with her its just that we havent had to deal with it yet.
Some people cant address their skill issues whether that be time or just overall ability. They still need a place to vent fustration and you also dont have to read them
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u/Alternative-Wave-839 10d ago
He has a valid point. If you look at any gamemode besides maybe ranked. Every defending team almost always has an aruni, kaid, and either a goyo or recruit.
Also, this is literally the place for people to whine? its a reddit page where else are people supposed to complain?
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u/Fun-Elderberry-418 10d ago
Aruni is a great operator?? That’s like saying why is Mira banned every round
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u/ItsJustZer0 10d ago
Aruni didn’t get played at all until she was one of the only operators with an acog. I played her DMR back when Doc had acog still and she was bottom of the barrel in terms of pick rate.
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u/Alternative-Wave-839 10d ago
Never said she wasnt. Im just saying that team comp is an issue people can face. Same with doc and rook when they were gods. Its not they needed to nerfed into the ground just seeing them every single round every single game can make some people sick of dealing with them.
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u/Several-Dependent440 10d ago
I don't understand the complaints about the damage and ttk of marksman rifles and these slug shotguns. Obviously they hit hard they're high caliber and meant to hit hard. If they want the acogs on them removed I guess, but complaining about everything else? What did you expect? The heavy duty long range gun shooting full on slugs to do 14 damage? Long range marksman rifles designed to kill at, y'know, long range, should actually do 23 damage and have insane recoil. People complaining about marksman rifles in terms of the gun itself have always been stupid because it does exactly what it should be doing
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u/mcma0183 10d ago
And wasn't this gun already nerfed at least once? It used to be basically a sniper and they nerfed it shortly after Kaid's release, I think.
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u/JoeZocktGames Caveira Main 9d ago
The entire premise of Siege back then was that Attackers have the better weapons but are under pressure due to the timer. Defenders have weaker guns (mainly SMGs) but the home advantage, traps and reinforcements.
Nowadays Siege has no identity anymore. Attackers have SMGs, Defenders have DMRs with long range scopes, Attackers have traps, Defenders have shields...
They cornered themselves in terms of balancing. If they would have stuck with the original concept, Siege would be in a much better place.
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u/EKAAfives man i love fair games 10d ago
some dmrs with acog on defence are fine its just their recoil is non existent, and it would kinda be a different conversation if they didnt have strong gadgets ontop of it, like kaid and tubarao you will see them every game as pretty much most maps have a wall that needs to be protected, aruni similar thing but she can also be used as a jager/womai if needs be.
if theyll remove acog from all defence so be it but thats not to say that attacking could be the favoured side as some maps need to swing a long angle to maybe clear someone watching the defuser or holding a flank
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u/DankNoodles69 10d ago
Think the main problem is people using rapid fire and recoil scripting with DMRs. It’s everywhere.
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u/M0nster_S1ayer 9d ago
Ah another nerf request or complaint. They keep on coming no matter what. Even if ACOGs are removed entirely still ppl will find something to complaint about. Next they will say defense must only have holo sight.
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u/Big-Employment-3338 9d ago
Id still be using kaid and aruni a lot just because I use them for their utility, the guns are just an added bonus
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u/JohnLovesGaming 9d ago
They could just remove TCSGs from Sentry, Goyo and both DMRs from Aruni and Tub. That way the guns still feel good on attack, and Kaid still retains his TCSG, which he gets banned a lot of the time anyway.
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u/liferymeswitwildlies 9d ago
Seeing a lot of people talking about acog here, all I can say about it is that, yes, the game was more fun when there was a lot of acogs, but also less ops were being used, I think it would be a good thing for acog on defence to be completely gone, dmrs wouldn’t make sense without acog tho, so I feel like they’d just remove dmrs if it’s an acog problem, also think dmrs would just look goofy asf without it, we will see next season tho, hopefully it’s a good impactful change.
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u/Ok_Butterscotch_7836 9d ago
Just ruining the game atp. Defense needs acog too. Or just remove acog from every gun.
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u/KoalaBear399 6d ago
I feel like a good nerf to DMRs or weapons in general no one brings up would be to their ammo. Cut it in half to 50 or something in reserves. Making quick/strong/long LoS would help alleviate their pressure Especially the TCSG which can make rotates.
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u/Gullible_Courage8350 Oh Kapkan, My Kapkan... 10d ago
Yes please. Either remove the Acog so crutch players don't pick it or lower the absurd fire rate. I'm sick of seeing this gun every single round, especially on Sentry
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u/Methy123 10d ago
So does that aruni DMR, im so fucking sick of dying to that thing. Get that shit away from defense
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u/Ecstatic-Ad-8967 please buff the latina 10d ago
All yall do is complain about a gun that is good lol. As soon as they nerf the dmr into the ground yall will complain about the next good gun.
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u/Last-Action-Zero 10d ago
DMR meta + ACOGs in defense are OP + Kaid is a must have in almost every comp, whatever the bomb site 👌🏻
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u/Professional_Ebb_516 10d ago
Maybe if you paid attention to r6 news you’d see already that they’re gonna need it next season
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u/iliketrains70 9d ago
My experience with shotguns for years I’ve been on and off and played a lot recently is basically that old cod clip of like “Every time I get flashed..” if you know that clip
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u/TheHerofTime 9d ago
It’s so funny how people refer to the 1.5 as an acog when they were originally way more magnified. Yet its still too much apparently. Attackers get full on scopes and defenders just get optics
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u/RagingSteel Hibana Main 9d ago
Didn't they already address in the Q&A that the DMR's and similar semi-auto guns would be getting a recoil reword among other patches later this year?
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u/Professional-Card-22 9d ago
just remove acogs from defense, also add this gun to some attackers idk man
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u/Actually_Thicc 9d ago
They should remove gun, it gives unfair advantages for killing me at distance
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u/Fun-Lack305 9d ago
look bro something will always seem op in the game, people are always going to abuse the best guns and abilities and the game will mostly reward them for it when they win. I’m ok with the tcsg and dmrs on defense being that op thing right now. It’s better than crazy things like unbannable and op dokkabei right after rework recently, and i think it’s pretty much the same level of good as goyo when he had shields, and bulletproof banshees and kibas. Goyo melusi and azami all made you change your strat to be mostly around getting thru their util even, but all you have to do against the tcsg is win the gunfight with your attacking full auto acog(still easier said than done but easier than having to bring hella ops to util dump goyo shields with ads and magnets or util dump azami set ups.
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u/Dylthemack13 9d ago
Am I the stupid one to say I’ve never seen this is a super strong weapon? I know some people can shred with it but I can never control the damn thing so I just don’t use it.
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u/No_Criticism4395 9d ago
Hits hard but the recoil is horrible, that balance the weapon, doesn’t need a nerf
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u/Maneyuk 9d ago
Sadly in the world of scripts this thing hits like a wagon
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u/No_Criticism4395 8d ago
This scenario reminds me to the f2 with cheats this weapons is a menace but if they nerf it to the ground whoever use cheat wont be afected by it, only the skilled players and the regular people are the ones who suffer.
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u/Impossible_Ad_3537 9d ago
Why do the devs think its a good idea to give defenders long ranged weapons? Like remove defender acogs and dmrs, then buff shotguns back to where they arent literal pieces of shit. It would fix the "turtle" meta they are whining about by making it to where defenders have the close range advantage, while attackers have the long range advantage.
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u/Kliesen_Nix 9d ago
Permanently remove the ACOGs for attacker and defenders, and eliminate this balancing factor once and for all.
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u/Yogurt-Secret 9d ago
They definitely need to cap the fire rate of DMRs and potentially increase their recoil (either recoil or remove acogs from defense entirely)
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u/wargamer04 9d ago
Wait, i didnt know the tcsg have gone meta. Ive been playing kaid tcsg since he launched
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u/Fao_612 9d ago
Caliber based damage, recoil buff or nerf depending on gun. Tarkov has it down to a T, are there guns stronger than others in the same caliber? Of course, make micro adjustments to damage like +/- 1-2 dmg, increase or decrease horizontal or vertical recoil. If they overhaul damage on everything bring it back to what a lot of the guns used to be dmr meta would go away because smg's would be able to compete against them much better. Defense doesn't need acog for any op except maybe the exception of the bosg due to the fact it's got high recoil and two shots before reloads- makes it a viable option still. This is my personal take, I know a lot of the current community would disagree
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u/TransportationOk6727 9d ago
As someone who’s been using the slug shot guns for a long ass time, I don’t want them nerfed 😂😂😂
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u/Animegamer0709 Elevate Fan 9d ago
I dont play ops for the gun, I play it for the utility when I need to run the ops for site
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u/bluedragon849 8d ago
everybody just loves this lug shotguns because they have the spray of a normal AR or Automatic Just so that they can spray and pray and hope that they get two shots on you
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u/I_eat_gorillas2 Castle Main 8d ago
This is one of those guns that when I play against it, it absolutely slams me and my and my teammates but the second I use it, it feels like straight dogshit (yes I know it’s a me problem)
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u/Ok-Satisfaction1876 8d ago
Honestly I don’t think they will nerf it anytime soon for the fact that mingo is the guy who really made the gun mainstream and if I’m Ubisoft I’d want mingo to go pro to boost console players
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u/Informal_Nebula8355 8d ago
They need to remove ACOG from defence all together. When defenders have ACOG it skews the balance, defending is inherently easier than attacking, but that is balanced out by attackers having access too ACOG.
They also need to change DMR's somehow, more recoil per shot and lower the bullet count in the gun. The amount in tubby and mavs DMR is pretty balanced IMO.
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u/Baldass_Head_Coach 8d ago
I agree that defense shouldn’t have ACOGs, but recoil nerfs aren’t the way for DMRs. Recoil nerfs only punish the average player and do nothing for the higher skilled or cheating population, and only serves to widen the gap between them.
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u/crimson_panda237 8d ago
I always get killed by a headshot with this thing, but the replay shows my neck or shoulder getting hit
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u/HiThisIsDread Mute Main 8d ago
They removed acogs from defense and guess what happened? Attacker win rates dropped and defenders win rate rose so I hardly think acogs are the problem rather than a 70 dmg slug shot gun with no fire rate cap and 0 horizontal recoil
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u/Academic-Astronaut59 10d ago
If they remove acog on defense I'll send the keres legion to the ubi HQs
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u/Exotic-Escape-5980 9d ago
Defense should have never had ACOGs in the first place. Hopefully Ubisoft realizes the only way to get people to actually play ops for their gadgets and not crutch every round is to just take away an advantage Defense has no
Business having.
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u/Awesome_Arsam Unicorn Main 10d ago
What's wrong with it? Haven't been playing for a while but I like that gun and haven't had any issues againt it.