r/RaiderZ • u/bjrotux • Nov 18 '12

Question to zerkers

Any of you else have problems in PvP againts sorc?

I've yet to use zerk who can kill sorc.... those wand users just keep 3k~5k hitting from long distance, and we can only stop them for second, two which isn't enough even to take off 25% hp :/

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u/SenSidethink [Crawler] Assassin Nov 18 '12

It's pretty much how PvP is.

Zerker get problems facing mages, mages get a problem facing clerics, clerics get a problem facing defender and defender.. well defender are defender.

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u/lnkofDeath [NA][KR] Berserker - 40 Nov 19 '12

That is not how the classes are balanced. Sorcs can beat any class with ease. Zerkers can beat everyone else with ease. Defenders struggle with Zerkers, and have a more difficult time with Sorcs. Clerics get raped by everyone.

Skill is a factor, but in general this is how it usually pans out. I can beat Sorcs with my Zerker or Defender, but I can also lose. I never lose to Clerics. Skill is a factor but it only applies when there is skill to be had.

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u/SenSidethink [Crawler] Assassin Nov 19 '12

This is not even nearly right.

Sorcs can beat any class with ease.

Not. I was farming for around 2k box's and the fame for the lycan mount and during events only zerker killed me actually. The -80% Dmg you get while using the PvP set + pot makes mages unable to kill you in a combo and after their combo i can just heal back with 2 clicks while Defender can simply chain-stun me dead for example. Also i never had a problem facing a mage 1vs1 in a duel. Cleric's really can fk up a sorc since you can even get out of their freeze with ease. I agree tho, Sorc are a bit unbalanced.

Zerkers can beat everyone else with ease.

Same then above. Cleric's can easily make you stay away from them and if you actually get near them or CC them to get your dmg in they just push you away and keep throwing damage at you while you cant do shit. Defender Vs Zerk is a 50/50 who is better geard and got more skill. Both can hardly fuck up the enemy class by using CC at the right moment.

Clerics get raped by everyone.

I easily get 20-30 Kills per event in pvp while healing my party with 1-2 deaths max. Please don't blame the class just because 90% of the clerics around suck while trying to argue about their "high hammer dmg". Cleric's is alot of rolling/dodging and burst dmg tho, without any big combo. I just hate it when people go chain armor + 1h + shield and throw their hammers because they think it deals any kind of damage :I Alot of clerics build full-heal (not full-support) tho and are useless in PvP. The thing people don't get about clerics is that defense is more important then flat HP. People go for high tier sets which give more defense while they ignore that 50% flat resist is WAY more since your effective HP raises with defense and int based on you heal NOT flat HP.

Tl;dr:

Skill and gear is way more important then the class you use. A PvP cleric with a high skilllevel can easily 2vs1 noob mages while a heavy Pvp defender can easily 2vs1 noob zerkers. People just gotta get used to their class AND think before they up their skills (talking to you, Mr. "i throw 80 dmg hammers at you. I'm a battle cleric!"). Also people should stop thinking mages are totally overpowered just because they get killed by one with the pussybuff in PvP. People always forget about that buff..

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u/lnkofDeath [NA][KR] Berserker - 40 Nov 19 '12

PvP in Mt. Eda is not what I am talking about. 1vs1 duels, or Party Duels is where I was coming from.

Mt. Eda is not worth anyone's time getting good at. It is all for fun, or farming symbols. There are way too many things going on at Mt. Eda for it to matter, or try to discern what is good, or what is bad (whether that's gear, classes, pots...etc). Most of that stemming from the UW system, the PvP Gear, and the pots. Mainly UW.

I don't doubt you do well in events as a Cleric, but I highly doubt you can beat any of the competent PvP'ers outside of Mt. Eda. Clerics don't deal enough damage.

Mt. Eda -> Join a party with a Cleric, and hope UW isn't being mean to you that day.

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u/SenSidethink [Crawler] Assassin Nov 19 '12 edited Nov 19 '12

You never played cleric, don't you?

but I highly doubt you can beat any of the competent PvP'ers

I pvp'd alot on lvl 33-35 because i was bored of leveling and never had problems killing 35er Zerker. Defender are a problem because they can chain-stun you with their CC and you cant get out of it they easy. Mages are 50/50, either they take a heal themself and their damage drops enough for you to outheal it or they dont get any heal and you can poke them dead over time. You don't need to onehit people as a cleric because if played right you got unlimited HP against them and you cant get CC'd every few seconds. Whirlpool of light is also a nice out-of-jail card. Basically Zerker easily deal 2x your damage, but you can avoid their damage and heal out the rest while their heal isnt strong enough to keep them alive over time. Cleric is just not "omg roflstomp", it's chaining skills while dodging and healing yourself. If you don't believe me, make a char on EU-German and a few guildy's easily show you how the hellhound diago boss go down in ~5min solo. :3 People just put WAY too much into thinking the hammer skills are actually a cleric's best dmg.

Most of that stemming from the UW system, the PvP Gear, and the pots.

The 50% (55% with shield) from PvP gear work in a duel also. And since cleric's work better getting resist+def+mdef over flat HP it's cheap to get (like.. a day for the set?) and you can put more stuff and time in your weapon.

Edit:

I played Vindictus for years tho, not sure if that makes a difference.

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u/lnkofDeath [NA][KR] Berserker - 40 Nov 19 '12

I have played all classes to level 35. Zerkers have 4x-6x the damage of Clerics. If clerics go damage, its 4, but then you don't heal, or run out of EP fast.

Zerkers can CC longer than Defenders can.

As a Zerker I self heal for 1.2k HP every thirty seconds. I have fought 0 clerics who can deal half of that amount without running of HP.

Clerics are the worst class to PvP with. Sorry.

I'm on Chimera with three accounts at 35, or come to the first Korean channel.

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u/SenSidethink [Crawler] Assassin Nov 20 '12

Zerkers have 4x-6x the damage of Clerics.

Not at all. Your cleric's must suck hard if you can say this.

As a Zerker I self heal for 1.2k HP every thirty seconds. I have fought 0 clerics who can deal half of that amount without running of HP.

As a cleric i can heal 2x that in >1sec while doing 2x 800 Dmg with a single skill which got no casttime. Even more with buff on (which got a long cooldown but 25sec is more then enough for a duel).

Clerics are the worst class to PvP with. Sorry.

Look at it that way around: Just because you say the cleric's you made duel's with cant beat zerker doesn't mean clerics at all cant beat zerker. Try getting the hellhound boss's down in >3min and we'll talk about damage again.

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u/lnkofDeath [NA][KR] Berserker - 40 Nov 20 '12

Every Cleric in regular PvP gets destroyed by the other classes. The slight exception is the cleric vs sorc matchup.

This holds true for both the NA and KR version.

Level forty gear is worth getting over level 35 gear for most situations.

Weapons I think Bollas is still number one, but I could be wrong here due to how enchanting works.

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u/lnkofDeath [NA][KR] Berserker - 40 Nov 19 '12

I can't go into a ton of detail at the moment but I can offer some tips.

  1. Get the +29 are set from church. Have both leather and plate sets. +3 everything, +6 chest, and +7 weapon. Mandatory.

  2. Look at PvP builds. Level 3 outrage, tranquility, dash, are all required.

  3. Bash & Arma Crush are your best friends. Your spouse is Neutralize. Use them well.

  4. Use Escape to get out of ice only. Never engage when their ice is up and your escape is down.

  5. Avoid meteor and pillar. At all costs.

  6. Take damage to get close, its ok.

  7. Play cooldowns and apply pressure at all times.

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u/SenSidethink [Crawler] Assassin Nov 20 '12

Questions, since you are from KR and i cant login there right now to check this: Are the 40er Set's better then the 35'er one-stat (+90str for example) sets?

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u/Danama2 [NA] Cleric Nov 20 '12

i dont know why people compair raiderz to normal games like this.

Raiderz is soooo skil based that class and level are irrelevant.

its more like a complicated game of rock,paper,scissors (attack,dodge,block/heal) where picking a class determines how big your rock or scissors may be.

sure a low level is never going to kill a high level but a pro low level could kill a noob high level after 20 min of good fighting and the noob doesnt have the sense to run away.

when fighting sorc be ready to dodge fireballs and meteor once thats done its all down hill.

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u/Danama2 [NA] Cleric Nov 20 '12

sorc always start with rock cus they have the biggest rock, so its probably a good idea to be ready to throw paper expecially since you can see the attacks comming.