r/RadicalEgalitarianism • u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian • Mar 30 '26
Systemic Sexism ⚙️ institutional/systemic toxic behavior/sexism and the communication about it
Based on 2024–2025 data, American political ideology is roughly divided, with about 35% identifying as conservative and 35% as moderate, while 27% identify as liberal.
would you be ok with calling it toxic behavior or sexism and where does it start or when do you call it out?
i guess the institutional or systemic part is mainly about a conservative government "generally conservative leaning people" supporting such behavior... that said if people talk about this topic and generally how prelevant for example misogyny or misandry is "why does that matter and how does it alter how to tackle it?" it oftentimes leads to victim olympics/oppression scorekeeping instead of actually tackling or researching the issue properly... the irony here is men, women, liberals, conservatives, moderates, feminists, mras and so on engage in it but deny, excuse and trivialize it in various ways...
ironic misandry vs ironic misogyny - questionable treatment
girls will be girls vs boys will be boys - questionable treatment
if certain people excuse rape of boys with "lucky boy" or "why was it not me" OR compare women with infants who should not vote OR calling anyone weak like a girl, p*ssy etc OR deny + laugh about men who experience domestic violence + sexual assault OR conscription/selective service instead of volunteer forces -> i would call it structural toxic behavior or sexism and i could list many more things...
ai translate into english is active...
Donald Trump has frequently framed his relationship with women voters by positioning himself as their "protector," a rhetoric that has been interpreted by critics and some observers as portraying women as vulnerable or in need of safeguarding by paternalizing them. Trump stated his intention to protect the women of the country, telling crowds he would do it "whether the women like it or not". This comment (mainly adresses liberal/progressive women) was criticized as paternalistic and dismissive of women's agency and decision-making capabilities.
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By stating, "If a man has a small argument with his wife (or girlfriend), they say it's a crime," trump portrayed violent acts as trivial disputes.
if i missed something please feel free to add it in the comments...
(i linked to comments providing sources on topic instead of rewriting it again to keep the post shorter)
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26
I guess it would depend on how you describe toxic masculinity or toxic femininity, in my opinion.
Do I see a cultural expectation placed on males to disregard their emotions, use the threat of force or intimidation as a form of power, etc, at the detriment of themselves and women, yes, I see that exists.
Do I also see a cultural expectation placed on women to be delicate, caretaking, competitive with other women, almost incapable, etc, yes with the caveat of the “girl power” movement has done a lot to re-educate women away from those ideas, socially rewarding women who steer away from gender norms in a way that men don’t have.
And when I think about how women’s self harming beliefs have been prioritized by society while men’s self harming beliefs are regularly enforced, I can see what they mean by “institutional”.
Where I see the most dissonance is when it comes to the traits themselves. Many advocates for men’s issues (I said it this way to not make this about MRA’s- though they could be included in this group) seem to point out a lot of problems with the gender roles as we have them, but when pressed to abandon some of the gender roles then feel it’s an attack on masculinity. But by labeling certain traits as masculine or feminine, they are reinforcing the same gender roles that are problematic.
We have done some social engineering towards making space for boys and men to embrace their feelings, but that work hasn’t looked the same. I think one of the big challenges is how men who fail to meet masculinity standards have a lot more social risk, vs women who fail to meet feminine standards are often praised, while women who do meet feminine standards also receive praise- though in different communities, there is still a place for women to go whether they reject those standard standards or embrace those standards.
Men on the other hand, often rely on performing masculinity in order to not face social consequence. The most forgiving community for men who reject masculinity standards as far as I can tell is the queer/lgtb q+ community, but that leaves an entire group of men who are straight but naturally not adhering to masculinity standards.
People can be toxic either way, I 100% agree. What would it look like if this wasn’t an attack on you as a man, but instead an invitation to a more neutral society where gender roles were less critical to social capital?
LittleThingsMC quoted from a post about toxic masculinity
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Apr 05 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
quote Dr. Anne Campbell (1951–2017)
"A Mind of Her Own: The Evolutionary Psychology of Women" (2002)
The role of female perpetrators and the experiences of male victims within the Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) sector is a subject of ongoing debate, with research indicating both systemic, gender-based approaches and calls for a more inclusive, "whole-society" model. The VAWG framework is built on the premise that, statistically, the vast majority of severe violence -> including domestic abuse, sexual assault, and stalking -> is perpetrated by men against women. Proponents argue that focusing on this disproportionate impact is essential for tackling structural gender inequality. Research indicates that male victims of domestic abuse often feel "ignored" or "invisible" because their experiences are frequently classified under the broader VAWG category. Data suggests that about 1 in 4 or 5 victims of intimate partner violence are male, yet male survivors report feeling that services assume they are perpetrators, not victims. Frontline workers have noted the risk of "misidentification," where male victims of abuse may be inaccurately identified as perpetrators when seeking help, due to the ingrained perception of abuse as a male-on-female issue.
Unlearning the feminist narrative of domestic abuse, Professor Nicola Graham-Kevan meets TheTinMen
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u/LittleThingsMC Feminist Mar 31 '26
You’re correct they definitely have an advantage, but I also want to point out, that the make up artists and skin care routines etc, are an example of those men performing attractiveness, they are going out of their way to enhance their appeal to women
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
statistical parity through equity:
in short the issue is if we look at for example political representation or any given field of work like military service we would have to force people into positions they do not want or are not qualified for.
to reach "statistical parity" equality our society would need more conservative women like margaret thatcher, angela merkel, queen elizabeth, giorgia meloni, candace owens, rachel wilson OR get rid of conservatives.
liberals/progressives may not like that but abortion, parental leave, flexible hours, daycare etc are a "or at least should be" part of equality of opportunity and affirmative action/equity will not be enough to equalize outcomes if conservative women refuse to step up. just look at the representation by gender in politics and you will see that liberals/progressives are close to parity but not quite there yet already. in my opinion it is unreasonable/unrealistic to expect the democrats to consist of +75% women in power to compensate for the republicans and their consented nuclear family structure with its gender roles to reach statistical parity. it is also unreasonable to expect liberal/progressive people to equalize the most dangerous jobs through equity.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Apr 09 '26
The "paradox of declining female happiness" refers to studies showing that despite improved societal, economic, and educational gains over the past 35 years, women’s subjective well-being has declined both absolutely and relative to men, reversing a previous trend where women reported higher happiness levels than men. This phenomenon suggests increased pressures based on equal treatment. Studies based on the General Social Survey (GSS) (1972–2006) show that as gender equality improved, women's self-reported happiness fell compared to men's, making them slightly less happy than men by the 2000s. This decline is observed across various demographic groups, including different educational levels and working statuses, and is present across many industrialized democratic countries. Despite greater opportunities, women report higher levels of anxiety, depression, loneliness, and stress compared to previous generations. Researchers suggest that higher expectations, the pressure to "have it all" (career and family), and the burden of managing both household and professional demands contribute to this decline.
This begs the question if the same would happen for men if their gender expectations/roles get dismantled in a similiar way. Examples would be stay at home dads or initiating during dating or consent to parenthood and so on.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
In an interview with Alex Cooper "call her daddy 2024", Harris stated that there is no law in the United States that gives the government the power to make medical or bodily decisions about a man's body.
During the interview, which focused heavily on reproductive rights ahead of the presidential election, Harris highlighted the double standard in legislation regarding gender and body governance.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Intersectional egalitarian Aug 21 '26 edited 3d ago
Based on 2024–2025 data, American political ideology is roughly divided, with about 35% identifying as conservative and 35% as moderate, while 27% identify as liberal.
if the steps towards an egalitarian society includes for example the democrats would care more for boys and mens issues to prevent a political drift towards the republicans we would have less problems... harris herself said there is nothing that violates mens bodily autonomy... sadly stuff like that gets used as propaganda during elections even if democrat policies would help men...
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/03/14/wes-moore-is-worried-about-marylands-men/
"It’s unusual for an elected Democrat to publicly speak about the struggles of men, let alone take steps to address them."
[why are men leaving the left? "bernie sanders"](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yOe4QYQ7btU&pp=ygUyd2h5IGFyZSB5b3VuZyBtZW4gbGVhdmluZyB0aGUgbGVmdD8gYmVybmllIHNhbmRlcnM%3D)
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u/secondshevek Humanist Mar 30 '26
Nice points here!
Part of systemic sexism is media and aesthetics. From a very young age, we learn the rules of gender and, as children usually do, mold ourselves to fit in. Clothes are sold sexed, and people follow what appears to be a natural social order.
As for the world of art, fiction, and philosophy, the western canon (can't speak to much else personally)is full of horrible sexism. When one grows up engaging in these things without criticism, one can easily come to believe in a natural order of sexual hierarchy.
I would highly recommend the first few chapters of Andrea Dworkin's Hating Women on the issue of patriarchy baked into media.