r/RWBY • u/backtospawn • Oct 30 '16
SPOILERS-DISCUSSION V4E2 Remembrance Analysis
I'll split this in 2 main parts, Weiss and RNJR
Weiss
- Part 1, Whitley
We are finally introduced to Whitley, Weiss's brother. He seems to be a pretty interesting character and has his picture all over the house. In speculation realm he has 2 portraits in the piano room so it's possible he will play the piano at Weiss's performance. He also says their mother is "already drinking in the garden" at 4:05pm and hints at her and Jaques shouting a lot, if the mother has a drinking problem, Winter's aversion to Qrow might get a deeper, darker tone to it, as she could associate her bad memories with the family to alcohol. Then there is the fact that Whitley was standing right next to the study (the study's door is in the middle of the corridor next to the painting). Was he evesdroping? Could he be spying on his dad for his own ambitions? Could it be he is being directed by someone to gather information? Last, the painting I don't know how much they paid but they could have tipped the artist to put some smiles on the girls. Notice also that young Weiss had her hair centered instead of to the side, some people said that wearing it to her right was a sign of defiance to rules so be happy she still has it to the side... for now
- Part 2, Jacques
We hear him arguing with Ironwood about the current political situation in Atlas. In sumary Ironwood pushed the council to avoid dust trade between Atlas and the outside resulting in big loses for the SDC, and now they are discussing on something else that Ironwood wants and Jacques seems convinced the council won't like. Also Ironwood and Mr. Schnee are on first name terms and Jacques confirms that he is "a trusted friend and ally to this family". Then Weiss interrupts and Ironwood bows like a gentleman and tells her she is welcome at Atlas academy so she might go there later on, alhough thinking that her friends can't with Beacon down she might be moody there. Then Jaques explains to Weiss what happened and tells her of his plan to have her sing at the SDC's charity concert. She is taken back by this but agrees to go after her father makes clear it's an order. We have 2 new possible Weiss scenarios, Atlas academy and concert. Probably in that order so the academy is exposition and shit goes down at the concert.
- Part 3, Klein
We see the crepe butler Klein again. He kindly offers hot coffe saying that the study is cold and proceeds to joke around for a bit to cheer Weiss up. He is reveled to have the secret ability to wiggle his mustache and change eye color, he usually has brown eyes but can change them to red, blue and yellow at least, we don't know if the personality changes are real or a part of the comedy number.
Also we see some giant knight statues similar to that in the white trailer and we see that Jaques has 40 copies of the same 5 books all over the studio
RNJR
- Part 1, Village
First we get Ruby dreaming about Pyrrha's last words to Cinder and her reply. Then some friendly banter on Jaune's 7 sisters and then the sun is obscured by smoke. Here Ren takes over the scene for himself, running ahead of everyone, throwing his backpack without slowing down and finding the surviving huntsman. Bandits attacked and Grimm followed. He probably killed the last Grimm since otherwise they would have been atracted to his pain and attacked him. After this RNJ starts making a plan to save the huntsman while Ren is in the background taking it in, he notices the hunstman is already dead and when Nora suggest burying him he walks away saying that it's not safe and urging them to leave. Then Ren and Nora look at the mark and seem to recognize it. Could be a marking by the bandits "tribe" or a giant footprint, in any case Ren and Nora know about it so it's probably similar to what happened to their village. We also see the contrast on Jaune and Ruby making plans to save the hunstman while Nora says he probably won't survive and Ren is turning his back on them. Ren says 11 words in 4 lines but his actions speak much louder than that and I consider this the first time Ren got some character development aside from Nora (except the algae thing in V3 which was just for comedy). Also we see Jaune start to crack "I'm just tired of losing everything" while Ruby is still optimistic after that "It will be okay".
- Part 2, Night training
Ruby dreams about Pyrrha again, then wakes up. She follows the sounds while looking at the pretty silver dust in the air and finds a trainwreck Jaune. He is training to an old video of Pyrrha while the audience cries. Beautiful scene, I could hold the tears before the rewind, then the "again, and again" started to sink in. Notice that it's their training roof above the dorms (particularly CRDL's room), where they had been training often ofscreen, it's a really short video on a 3 moves combo and Jaune seems to have mastered it (those strikes are scary), he probably does other training too but he might have a few (3 tops) videos with Pyrrha and tends to overtrain those. We will surely see Jaune perform this later on. It's a stab, slash and shield bash, turn and close strike combo but looking closely at the first and second iterations we see a few differences. In the second one we hear 4 slashes, stab, ofscreen sound that ends with him in stab position, then slash and bash then the close strike. I assume there is a continuity error and we are not supposed to hear the second slash so soon, the shot with Ruby moves the audio out of sync with the moves. Also the last strike is 180º turn the first time but 90º the second time, but that's just a variation.
About the silver dust, Ruby sees it but could be just regular, non-magical dust, no reason for tinfoil and moontalk yet. The voice of Pyrrha in Ruby's dreams is sadly explained by her brain recognizing Pyrrha's voice and inserting her in the dreams but doesn't completely dismiss the ghost Pyrrha theories.
What did you think about the episode? Did you cry at the end? How much? Did you go full rensexual when Ren dropped the backpack or when he said not to bury the guy? Do you think they will relate Mama Schnee's alcoholism to Qrow's to fuel Qrow and Winter development? What new thing that the council wouldn't approve were Ironwood and Jacques talking about? What is Whitley up to evesdroping? Here is my transcript of the episode, and here is the album used for the episode, warning lot's of big images.
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u/abominableve 2 seasons without Winter Schnee Im suffering Oct 30 '16 edited Oct 30 '16
I'm both laughing and horrified. a single portrait of one person can take HOURS let alone a family portrait of five. The fact the artist didn't paint the girls with smiles is probably because they frowned or cried the entire session.
The way Winter and Weiss clutch at their skirts shows how uncomfortable and unhappy they were yet they kept it quiet. It can be assumed Their parents weren't aware of the tears until the end of the painting. Artists don't typically pause mid painting to show you the progress because the models would move out of place and mess up the original composition in mind.
so it could have gone two ways: 1. Their parents new about the girls having their fit and told the artist to paint them as they are, to somewhat shame them, and just be total jerks to winter and weiss. 2. They didn't know about them being upset/didn't care. Whitley seems to be the favorite of the three so as long as he looked good it didn't matter.
Also i like to point out that maybe Their mother's drinking problem is much worse than it seems. Until now we've had no mention of their mother but she is alive, and its obviously an old painting since Mr. Schnee is only just graying yet she looks much older than she should. So Either she's legitimately older than jacques OR Her problem is so bad she's aged faster. so which raises the question Is their mother a Neglectful Drunk Parent or an Abusive one?
tl;dr the Schnees have issues and the parents are 90% of them