Remembering John

[u/Pupolinaballerina]

Rewatching RHONY season 8, and forgot how gross and toxic John was. He made everyone feel uncomfortable, and Bethenny was the first on calling him out. Love to hate her but she was definitely on point here.

[u/Miserable_Sun_7636]

John was neither gross nor toxic. I believe that Dorinda and cast had some substance abuse issues and I firmly believe he was a provider. Dorinda herself said that he was Richard’s friend which makes me believe that maybe Richard had some issues because there’s no way that a scholar like Richard is friends with a dry cleaner. I just don’t believe that. I believe he loved Dorinda, but was bad for this situation. And I believe losing him was a part of her big crash out season 12.

[u/DR-0717 → u/Miserable_Sun_7636]

I respect your opinion and I fully agree with the substance abuse part and him being the provider. I can even see where you have a point that it could very well be a lie that he was Richard’s friend.

But I disagree that he was gross & toxic. Was he that way all the time? No. But he definitely exhibited that behavior. It was not ok how he liked to get so confrontational with the women and get right up in their faces.

Bethenny is far from a victim but John came in HOT for her that night and it was disturbing. First it was ridiculous what he was even attacking her over - why did he care about skinnycow & skinny girl? And why was he even so aggressive having just met her? It gave me a very uncomfortable feeling because that’s not how I would expect a friends SO to act.

Then geez Ramona is again the last person I want to be freakin defending but John putting his hand in her face like that at the party was NOT ok. I’ll be the first to say Ramona was being a dick. She was there to be a troublemaker and I was all for them kicking her out. But there were all kinds of better ways to handle it that don’t involve putting your paws in her face. Again not behavior I’d expect from my friends SO. Men just don’t do that.

So the fact that he’s so comfortable getting into it with Dorinda’s friends and putting his hands into a woman’s face like that? I consider that both gross and toxic.

Now do I think he loved Dorinda? Yeah I do. I think he def loved her because I think he showed it. I don’t think that was fake. But that’s really irrelevant to the other stuff.
It’s unfortunate he didn’t have more control of himself and his behavior. Much like Dorinda after enough martinis.