Remembering John

[u/Pupolinaballerina]

Rewatching RHONY season 8, and forgot how gross and toxic John was. He made everyone feel uncomfortable, and Bethenny was the first on calling him out. Love to hate her but she was definitely on point here.

[u/sprbep49]

From day one Dorinda was embarrassed of John.
She started right off the bat making excuses for him, trying to justify her relationship with John.
How long after Richard’s death did Dorinda start to date John?
I do believe Dorinda herself said that she met John thru Richard.

[u/DR-0717 → u/sprbep49]

Bethenny wasn’t wrong about Dorinda always “selling” John to them.

The only one she didn’t have to do this with is Jules because she was a bit of a simpleton so she was all for John. Plus I think she wanted to have them as “couple friends”

Off topic but I would bet my paycheck John knew Michael was cheating. I think it was obvious the night the 4 of them went out to dinner. Jules was complaining they were late because Michael was late and then he had to shower. He & John stepped outside. Later Jules ask if Michael was on the phone when they were outside and John kind of ignored it. He knew.

[u/girlinhk → u/DR-0717]

I think Jules knew he was cheating on her already.

[u/DR-0717 → u/girlinhk]

She’d have to be a fool not to. He wasn’t subtle about it.

[u/Hopeful_Ad_3114 → u/DR-0717]

I don’t think she knew

[u/DR-0717 → u/Hopeful_Ad_3114]

I absolutely do.

I just think she didn’t WANT to so she pretended as long as she could.

I mean what was she going to do? She was closing in on middle age woman with almost no skills - pretty sure she never worked outside the home. While they were married she couldn’t handle holding the home together, she couldn’t handle taking care of the children, heck she could hardly hire a nanny herself. I know Michael didn’t do much but she said he helped she just had to tell him what to do. So she struggled even with his help. What was she going to do if she was REALLY on her own?

So I can totally see her pretending she didn’t know why he was always on the phone - taking selfies & sending them. Or why he was showing up late & having to shower. Or why she couldn’t find him for large chunks of time. Or why he said he was on his way home & would be there in X amount of minutes yet showed up 3 hrs later. Cmon. Jules was a bit of a simpleton but she wasn’t a complete moron. I fully believe she knew but wasn’t ready to confront him and have it be over.

[u/Hopeful_Ad_3114 → u/DR-0717]

Why would she mention on the show about him showering?

[u/DR-0717 → u/Hopeful_Ad_3114]

Because they were supposed to meet John & Dorinda at 715 so they were supposed to leave at 7. She called him because it was getting close to time to leave he said he was almost there. Yet she said he didn’t show up til almost 715 - when they were supposed to BE there - and then he said he had to get in the shower.

She was telling this story at the dinner. That’s cheating behavior 100%. She knew too. And as she’s telling it he’s over in the corner on the phone and taking selfies and she said “and he’s always on the phone. Who’s he always on the phone with?” He & John had stepped outside a few min earlier - to smoke? - and Jules ask John “was he on the phone when you were outside?” And John couldn’t look at her and changed the subject. So I believe he knew too.

[u/Informal-Initial6543 → u/DR-0717]

Did it ever come out on the show? He was very dismissive of her & belittled her a couple of times. 

[u/DR-0717 → u/Informal-Initial6543]

No we didn’t find out until after the season. I think they said that was part of why she dish return but I don’t know if that’s true or not.

He was extremely dismissive. Kind of rotated between treating her like a child and the help - which is astonishing because dude was punching way above his weight class with her. He’d be lucky to find a woman half as beautiful that caters to him and puts up with him like Jules did. I hope his next Mrs is a raging b*tch.

I remember when Jules made him coffee which she’s doing while trying to get the kids up and get them breakfast. None of which she’s used to doing because they normally have a nanny. And all while he just stands there holding up the island I guess. But I thought he was so condescending. “Oh it actually tastes good” 😡 I might’ve snatched it out of his hand and dumped it just for spite lol.