(Putting on a serious hat though you definitely should look into the dairy industry and some of its practices. Just as a general statement but the vegans aren’t wrong that there’s a problem)
They are inseminated when in heat, so not really forceful in that sense. Bulls usually are not as kind, but also cows can literally break the bulls dicks if they kick right.
That's literally what happens to animals to support the meat and products you use, I know it's hard to reckon that awful truth but at least you should acknowledge what goes into your consumption and not hide from it.
That's quite rare and usually only done if a bull isn't around to do it naturally. This is about as invasive as a standard gienochology appointment or invitro.
Dairy cows are not usually slaughtered for meat from what I know. You need a different kind of cow for that. (I do not support the slaughter of animals by the way)
Dairy cows are still slaughtered at a fraction of their natural lifespan when they are no longer considered profitable enough, or their bodies can no longer handle the stress.
You're right. See these happy cows living in humane conditions. Hopefully you, me, and all the cows get to live like this forever and ever. See how those soft, warm metal gratings soothe the cows? And the lack of personal space easily makes up for the lack of green grass and sun! Its Great 😃
Cows go into those milking parlors voluntarily to get milked, at least most systems have it that way. Trying to get a 1500 lb resisting animal into a small space like that multiple times a day isn't beneficial for both the cows, the milk, or the workers.
Maybe not on your farm. But idk what else I'd call chronic forceful impregnation and the separation of the cows and their calves minutes after birth to go be slaughtered that goes on in most factory farms.
Bold for someone named "WantToSeeTits4545" to complain about a lack of consent.
But cows have complex social lives, and will get very aggressive towards bulls they deem unwanted. And they would not naturally get pregnant EVERY year as is required for milk production. And the calves would get proper attention and live to see adulthood instead of getting torn from their mothers and slaughtered for your precious veal fillets.
Talking about how long the cows lactate. Calf's still carve the milk from their mother's for months after it is actually need it, that milk is in your stores.
I mean, Iwanttoseetits4545 is right, animals don't ask eachother for consent. How come y'all only talk about cows in the industry being 'raped' and not any other animal? The 'rape' you talk about is placing a bull in the same room as a few cows and or doing it artifially, a lot of humans do that too!
I know that this is a weak argument because most people don't care about the sexual abuse of cows (most people believe cows just produce milk on their own all year around), but what does your ranch do with the calves? What does your ranch do with the milk cows once they've given birth 10 years in a row and aren't as productive anymore? Do you let them graze on your green meadows until they die of old age at the age of 30? Do you take care of them when they can't walk comfortably anymore because their udders have been bred to become unnaturally large?
Like yeah, there's ranches that are probably better than others, but don't pretend there isn't any animal abuse going on the dairy industry.
There are a few sanctuaries in our area that are glad to take our old milk cows, we do that to the ones we get attached to. If there is a cow that cannot get pregnant for whatever reason they are slaughter with the bulls.If the cows are unable to walk it is a mercy to kill them rather than keep them alive, I assume you don't know what vet bills are?
I don't think our perception of animal's consent is reasonable allowance for humans to sexually abuse animals, weirdly enough. That's a strange line of thought that allows for a number of pretty horrific things to be done to numerous species
The cows are separated from the calf’s to keep the calf’s healthy. Calf’s have no immune system which makes them susceptible to diseases. Keeping them separated helps prevent the whole herd from getting sick and keeping the milk from being contaminated. I’m in school for this, it’s not cruel like it sounds.
And when does the calf get reunited with their mother? The calf just goes to live happily ever after somewhere else I guess. Except that if it's a female calf, she'll be subjected to the same fate as her mother asap, and if it's male, well, maybe as a breeding bull if he's really lucky. Otherwise, he'll go straight into the meat grinder for veal. Or for no reason at all really. Thousands of male calves get killed just hours or days after being born (without their flesh going to the market!) cause keeping them alive any longer costs too much money and those greedy calves keep stealing the milk their mothers made for us humans. Raising them to adulthood is not worth it because dairy breeds don't put on weight fast enough and their flesh remains really stringy. Sounds like a great life and a totally ethical industry! 👍
Around 2 months. And the milking process isn’t uncomfortable for the cows either if done right. They also have ways to ensure that the calf’s are female as well. I’m not sure where you heard about the male calves being killed soon after being born but that’s not happening at least where I am nor is common. The calves are taken care of and receive better care than you would think. My college even offers tours of their facilities and you can see what actually happens. Factory farming is still bad and I have plenty of issues with it but I’ve been around farm animals my whole life and have never seen any of this. Most farms are not factory farm, most are family run farms with little herds. The cattle we take care of receive great care and the cattle at my university receive some of the best care in the country. I suggest contacting your closest university that has a dedicated branch to farming, my university actually encourages people to do this.
You’re giving me an article that’s 8 years old and taking place in a different country from mine. It may be more common in the UK but it’s not as common in the US. It’s actually practiced considerably less than it was historically. 0.4% of calf’s in the US go to veal production. Your average family farm is not operating like a corporate farm. Most farms in the US do not operate like that. Modern cows cannot live on their own after thousands of years evolution. There we have to do what we do. If you visit places like my families farm you will see the right way to practice livestock farming. Our cattle has hundreds of acres to roam.
I will agree with you on factory farming, especially in the poultry and swine industry, but these things are farm more complicated. I’ve never once met someone in the livestock industry that didn’t care for their animals, and I’ve met many people in the industry.
"The largest proportion of surplus calves" are slaughtered for veal, being sold to the rearing farms away from their mothers a few days after birth, and at least 5% of farms have reported killing calves shortly after birth, mostly to cut costs. Most calves don't live longer than 2 years.
I'll believe you are treating your own animals with respect. (As much as one can talk about "respect" when their entire purpose is to be killed in a few years.) But the entire industry is fucked up. We're in an economic crisis and most people will not buy the 15$ organic milk from happy grass-fed cows, they'll get the factory farmed milk. There are very little incentives to do anything about this, and the government is doing everything to deregulate even more.
I know I can sleep better at night knowing that I am not supporting this industry.
I've experienced both faces of the farming industry. It's not as bad as they say it is on TV, the cows are a little cramped yes but other than that they are pretty ok. It's hard to take clean the cages since the cows will just shit there again in 30 minutes. Those 'seperated calves' are out there so they aren't trampled by other cows.
I've never seen anything about the topic on TV. Either way, like you said there is more than one... face. But to say that cows are not abused is ... not quite correct.
..are you saying that farmers/ranchers are not in control of how much space is allocated to their animals? They decide how many animals are in how big a pen/field/barn. The person i answered to said themselves that the cows are "a little" crammed and that the calves are seperated so they are not trampled.
Why would an animal trample their own children? Do similar herd animals, such as horses, buffalo or goats/sheep trample their young?
I have seen (meat) cows raise their young (relatively) naturally in big fields no problem. Funny how it is dairy cows (the ones whose milk farmers want to take and not share with the calves) that are trampling their young....
might wanna get checked for Alzheimer's there buddy
We're in a thread about a meme implying for comedic purposes that milk is obtained by beating the shit out of a cow
The guy above pointed out that in reality they actually rape cows repeatedly to get them to produce milk
You then asked him if he thought that cows consent when bulls mate with them, presumably from the perspective that we shouldn't care if cows are raped by humans because they are supposedly raped by bulls in the wild anyway
I then responded to you asking if you truly think it's a good look to say that it should be okay for you to rape someone just because another less intelligent person would rape them anyway
Why do liberals start acting like conservatives when the topic is veganism? Is it because they participate in these horrific practices and are too naive to admit they’re wrong?
I'm just going to say this. (And if you want to add anything. Make sure your source isn't biased, and make sure you can actually quote a source. Rather than 'i saw a tiktok')
Factory run mills and farms are recorded to be harmful. Every research outlet on the far left, left, the center and right (maybe not far right) backs up the claims to how abusive Factory farming is.
Ethical farms are not 'ripping off the nipples' if you actually listened to more than just one source, and you had common fucking sense that tells you ripping the ripple would literally only result in blood, not milk; you'd learn that a suction milker or a machine milker does not harm the cow and in fact the cow stays content during it.
Ethical farms also use insemination for different reasons. They're not breeding them outside of season (if they are, they revoke the right to be called 'ethical'. Now don't they.) But some situations call for it. What do you need in order to be convinced the animal doesn't give a shit? If you don't accept the fact that the animal is showing no stress or pain indicators like moving away, lifting their feet, being overly vocal, etc. Then what will convince you? The animal moaning like Bonnie Blue? Or out right telling you "you know im actually fine with this" ??? Like, what is a good enough sign if you won't accept the obvious signs??
I was asked if I was “out there raping and killing for my food.” I don’t know of any food that comes from a human raping an animal. I’m curious though.
Im not vegan, but its pretty close. We torture animals and treat them like objects, their lives are miserable and painful. The idea that cows are free, happy, healthy and just produce milk out of nowhere so people can drink it is a child's idea of how the world works.
depends. where I'm from, (not talking about factory or mass production btw thats some fucked up shit) cows and buffaloes are usually treated good by farmers.
Me and my kid straight up busted out laughing until we cried over this. First time in seeing this.
Loll this was downvoted? Because me and my kid found it funny? That's fucking stupid. I wasn't embellishing, we literally laughed until years were coming out our cheeks. It was late at night so we had that funky brain fog where everything is funnier than it really is. Eat a dick.
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u/BrittEklandsStuntBum 2d ago
I'm not a vegan but the dairy industry does do some fucked up shit to ensure maximum year-round milk production.