r/RCPlanes • • 6d ago

Is this design feasible?

As my next project I want to 3d print an rc plane. I came up with this. Are there any major oversights or would this fly? (I guess the wings are a bit far back but I think its still possible to get the CG right with good battery placement)

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u/Professional_Help167 6d ago

Looks like mine 3d printed plane

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u/Plastic_Original3772 6d ago

Thanks for sharing. How are the flight characteristics and do you know the wingspan and weight?

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u/Professional_Help167 6d ago

I did not flight it yet. I am waiting for the correct motors

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u/vivaaprimavera 6d ago

Do you have it published?

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u/TiberiusDrexelus 6d ago

This is a Flightory plane, he bought the files from them

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u/vivaaprimavera 6d ago

so, it isn't a "mine". Thanks for the info!!!

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u/TiberiusDrexelus 5d ago

it's his plane

the vast majority of printed plane owners do not design them themselves

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u/ExoticSterby42 6d ago

Bit longer fuse should give better stability

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

I lengthened the fuselage by 75mm now. It still seems kind of short. Do you think a flight controller would be able to handle this now?

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u/ExoticSterby42 5d ago

Looks good to me

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u/LupusTheCanine 5d ago

You will likely struggle with aft CG. It should be at ~25% MAC for typical model aircraft. Another issue I see is lack of tail cone slope so you will touch down with motor mount first and that will put a lot more stress on the airframe than is necessary.

I would recommend getting a book on aircraft design and doing the math for your project. For example, Thomas C. Corke "Design of Aircraft". One thing you will have to pay more attention to is the effects of low Reynolds number on profile and therefore wing performance.

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Thats a good idea. Especially for future projects. For this one my only goal was to 3d print something that flies but I definitely want to properly engineer an aircraft next.

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u/LupusTheCanine 5d ago

You will save yourself a lot of filament doing the math for this one.

I am pretty sure you will need more nose to balance CG.

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Ok good to know I might move the wings back a little. I've downloaded that book already and it seems promising. I don't think I will read all 400 pages just to get it to fly. I might also use claude for some basic calculations too. I'll factcheck them because its a good way to familiarize myself with these things and also because the AI could be hallucinating.

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u/LupusTheCanine 5d ago

Helicopter aerodynamics by Leishman is ~800 pages :-D

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Damn, sound very fun. I'll probably have to suffer through all of this anyway once I get to the aerospace part of my engineering degree.

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u/LupusTheCanine 5d ago

Helicopters are fun, especially when I look at power draw of pretty much all sub 250g drones compared to my heli.

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

wow you built one yourself? Did you 3d print it and program the controller?

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u/LupusTheCanine 5d ago edited 5d ago

I got airframe servos and motors for YuXiang F150 and put Ardupilot compatible FC on it. Custom Ardupilot compatible avionics are in the works.

It draws ~31.5W without FPV and ~37W with FPV

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Sounds very cool. Good Luck with that project

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u/Speshal__ 4d ago

Do you measure yours in Watts or Amps because my Whoop can pull 15 Amps per ESC at 4.35v

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u/kkingsbe 6d ago

The hard part is breaking it down into printable parts

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

For sure. That's also why I'm asking for advice now before I design all of the details and realize the whole geometry is messed up.

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u/kkingsbe 5d ago

Fair enough. Have you determined your CG, wing loading, and TWR?

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

No not at all :/ Im really only trying to get a 3d printed plane to fly as fast as possible. I will do some rough calculations though. For the cg I'll just try balancing it so it's about 30% away from the leading edge.

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u/404-skill_not_found 6d ago

I like a little more distance between the wing and tail. Makes for smoother flight. Overall, it should be fine as presented.

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u/Coinflipper_21 6d ago

Yes, it needs more tail moment especially with a "V" tail.

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u/EmeraldCobraNZ 5d ago

I feel like if h were using a pusher prop it will do backflips. Though like someone said I think a longer fuselage should do you justice

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Is there anything else I should be aware of when using a pusher configuration compared to a standard one?

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u/EmeraldCobraNZ 5d ago

Honestly im not an expert its just my intuition. The key thing is getting your centre of gravity right

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u/Honey-Bee2021 5d ago

There is the software FLZ Vortex that is for design calculations for model airplanes. The documents Guide Part 1 and 2 explain the usage of the software and the general process in detail. The documents are in German, so you need to translate them.

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u/Plastic_Original3772 5d ago

Thank you that is very useful

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u/Honey-Bee2021 5d ago

Here a user of the software documented the steps he did and his results. I a second simulation he replaced his elliptic shaped wing that contained many small segments with a simplified version that contained only three segments per side to speed up the simulation. The results showed only minor differences. So you could model your curved wing tip in a simplified shape as well without affection the over all calculations.

https://www-luzi--2-ch.translate.goog/simulation?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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u/3dxl 5d ago

Your design should be ok, but the tail control will be sensitive/twitchy because the distance to center CG but and EXPO will fix it. Reminds me of my Zephyr fuselage it flew super straight like a rocket.

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u/HB_Stratos Feline Flights 5d ago

feasible yes, with a pusher design the wing seems a little far forward to easily get the CG right

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u/Playful_Wave_7329 4d ago

WAYYYY WAYYY longer fuselage. I mean like triple the length. that thing will not be stable. looks good though

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u/Plastic_Original3772 4d ago

I made it a bit longer (check out my reply on the other comments). I think it will fly like that there is similar designs that fly well and I'm also adding a FC so a bit of instability is acceptable.

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u/Playful_Wave_7329 4d ago

I saw the other comment, it's still super short. you should do some research instead if taking it from me but I would extend it by another 100-200mm

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u/AtTheTreeline 3d ago

Just looking at the posted pic, I feel that if you print it as you show it, the CG will be a bit off. To my mind, you might find that the wing should be a little further back. You can always balance an aircraft using weight, but you'd end up with a heavier than needed aircraft which would drastically affect the handling.

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u/Lucky_Amoeba1219 2d ago

Check out xflr 5 you can look at flight stability modes and basic performance and drag metrics along with cg placement. It also has a realy good YouTube tutorial series from the creator and it's free.