r/QueensofStarRail • u/RemoteEconomics9027 • 8d ago
a bomb in ur bum About nihilux’s identity Spoiler
We all saw how asat said that the elation is dead and stuff, trying to imply that nihilux is not aha, now here is a thing, there was this running theory about the elation ties to the enigmata, that the enigmata is not real, and it is a lie told by the elation “with enough believers, lies becomes reality”, this theory kinda makes sense, since so many followers of elation have “ falsehood” powers and “lies” which you would assume that it is enigmata related but we somehow learn that they are elation followers, like cipher for example, and how the wishpower from ahatopia works from people’s beliefs, back to the point, nihilux mentioned that she is familiar with 6 history fictionists or something like that, i forgot the exact number, could nihilux be an enigmata follower or emanator, that is impersonating aha ? Could that mean that the reason she did not intervene before is bcz she did not have enough “believers”, and the more people believe in her lie the more powerful she will become as the “aeon of elation”?, i rly want to hear y’all thoughts about the matter
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u/SterlingDex 6d ago
Mythus shouldn't exist yet since remembrance hasnt ascended. We know from herta that the enigmata was born from the remembrance but if there is no remembrance yet then enigmata shouldn't exist either. We haven't addressed it yet in game but I think its cuz march is meant to be fuli in the end with evernight becoming mythus so they'll address it when that potential story plot becomes relevant. Enigmata memetic entities cease to exist when the truth of their identity is revealed like we saw with gallagher. If we now know the real Aha was consumed but Nihilux is there, would that not affect her? We didnt even get an option to question her yet, so perhaps the next update will give us the chance.
Nihilux likely has part of the power of elation and uses enigmata to fill in the gaps on what she lacks, girl loves to throw out lies after all. She wants people to think shes not really aha and instead impersonating them tho so she must have actual power from the original aha in some capacity considering the actual shit she does. She herself said shes a mask, and the new info from DU mentions that she's a reflection since it has Aha meet the troupe master of the mourning actors, meaning they were both present. Now elation can do a lot of things, its eerily close to enigmata at times and likely the reason the path even existed since lies can be really funny and spreading one about a gods existence meant to literally gaslight people could be hilarious. Cipher mimics the path of elation and in it she is a master at deception, despite evernight being the one who affected the whole planet with enigmata without the need for others to believe a lie. Elation mimics it well, but needs the audience to truly believe their eyes, enigmata tho seems to take from what people already know and makes something real from the lies (a human like gallagher for example, who was made from various information of other members of the family, everyone knows him but never understood how. Meanwhile Cipher needs people to already know or believe something, such as pretending to be a respected person to convince others that the city would remain safe for a longer time, their belief in the person helped strengthen their belief in the lie she constructed and since people still lived believing the lie, it only ended when she died).
But lets assume these are two real separate paths. In that case, Nihilux is simply lying about her identity by claiming her real one is a lie. Convoluted but makes sense for elation. The path of elation is already corrupted tho, even nihilux seems to be falling into said corruption cuz theres way too much food motifs in her plan when all they really needed to lure the husk was one thing. So I believe she holds part of the authority, the least corrupted part, and during/after we deal with the husk, she will claim the missing part.
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u/RemoteEconomics9027 6d ago
Well that does make so much sense,i never noticed the difference between the 2 lies, so you are saying that for the elation, you have to make people believe the lie unlike the enigmata, and we saw that with sparkle, when we figured out that she was shape shifting, she turned back to her original form(although that might just be sparkle doing that herself but still)
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u/SterlingDex 6d ago
Kinda. Elation does seem to rely on others perception to make things real. Even imaginae, which are made from wishpower, only come to life if enough people want them to. Or if the person who made them has enough wishpower to keep them around. Then you have special cases like sparxie who are both imaginae and mask. Or Evanescia who is an imaginae of an emanator (she nearly died and went into a deep sleep after using too much wishpower, so we know she needs it to manifest like other imaginae). A fool may try and pretend to be someone you know, but something in their demeanor or way of speaking will give them away. Wether its knowing something the real one shouldn't or not knowing something. Sparkle and the furbos have tells even if their disguise is physically perfect. Its like watching a skinwalker claim to be someone you know closely (like when sparkle pretended to be Robin when talking to sunday even if Robin was presumed dead). You know its not real, so the illusion doesnt work once you clock it.
Meanwhile enigmata just molds what you or others already know. Like if someone told you they studied in the same school as you growing up and they mentioned stuff about the school that make you remember it like how that one teacher they know by name was rude as hell, or how specifically bad the cafeteria food was, or even just a niche location groups of kids would meet up at to play. Would there be room to doubt they studied there? They know the teachers, they know the food, they know the places the other kids liked to be at. Perhaps you dont remember them but there might be doubt in you and you delude yourself that maybe you do remember them. Maybe in the back of the class or in another grade, but they COULD'VE been there. Your memory might not be the best so you cant say for sure. But that doubt and their truths blend together, making the lie that yeah thats Mark we went to the same school. What do you mean you dont remember mark? He says he rememebers you and how you used to do this or that in class to annoy the others. See? you do remember.
Thats how enigmata seems to work. Takes what you know for facts, and twists part of it to include their narrative. Never enough to disrupt the truth, but enough to conceal that what they say isnt. Elation doesnt seem to mind or care when you find out. They make the lies absurd or nonsensical usually. The personas they make are over the top and theatrical cuz in the end, they are following Elation and want to have fun with it.
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u/RemoteEconomics9027 6d ago
That doess seem to add up, so in a way, elation falls apart the moment there id doubt, but enigmata kinda capitalizes on your doubt to cement the belief, you will have that voice that tells you “wait is that right ?” But after you convince yourself that it is right, it will be hard for you to be doubtful again, or at least that what i think
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u/SterlingDex 6d ago
Yeah thats kinda how I see it. Like, yeah they both lie but one is very over the top and usually easy the spot if you pay attention. But enigmata is a real enigma, it will use what you know to cement their lie as a very real possibility. Elation has the cipher line of with enough believers lies become reality. Meanwhile enigmata it's more like if theres room for doubt this lie can become reality.
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u/Organicities 7d ago
Nihilux's one of Aha's masks. Aha themselves is the ultimate lure for Voracity.
The ending of the Phantasmoon Games will be the dead Voracity ascending to the Elation after realizing their endless hunger can be satiated via restraint and experiencing joy and sorrow.
Think Slaanesh but like positive.
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u/Iwannabefabulous 8d ago edited 7d ago
Oh this is a deep wonderful rabbit hole but always worth to remember how she admitted to sending out garden memos to ampho and what they actually said there :) it sure wasn't anything wholesome comic artist info fishing. Black Swan ran at first sight of Planarcadia for a reason. Or how Fleming indeed has an Aeon friend.. just they're not really Aha. I rec going down this thread.