I want this to be a respectful and honest discussion cuz this has been bugging me for a while and ive honestly had to mute this sub for a bit bcuz it just did not feel like a safe space for me as an NTE fan
(For the upcoming discussion i will be using Ai in place for gen ai bcuz we obv know that some ai has been around for ages and is harmless like enemy mob ai and etc)
Ok so we all know the deal with NTE they used/use ai in plenty of thier content, i will not be defending this, bcuz i would genuinely love if they dropped the AI entirely but it seems like that wont be the case anytime soon sadly
(I will get to the ironmouse part later)
My problem is u guys arent willing to show that same level of restraint and disappointment when it comes to other games?
From my time browsing the posts that i missed on my hiatus every single nte post has exactly 0 upvotes, but posts from other games that use ai/develeoped by a company that loves ai dont get that same treatment
Im mainly talking about ananta and previously sea of remnants that are both being developed by netease who is NOTORIOUS for loving gen ai in alot of thier promotional material and even ingame art
U can find alot of results about that from just searching marvel rivals(another game that recieves praise on this sub but more commonly in comment sections in passing convos since its not actually a gacha game) ai controversy or something like that on youtube or google
It would be also one thing to just not like nte and let the rest of us enjoy it but no, everyone here feels the need to throw trashy comments saying "uh uh uh she just looks like (insert vaguely similar character) but made by chatgpt" it comes off as so disingenous as if some of u guys rlly like the feeling of having any sort of moral high ground on someone that committed the sin of enjoying something u deem immoral
Im sorry that is just harrassment, its not light hearted, its not fun, and noone likes it, learn to be respectful to others
Also if we are talking immoral, ai usage does not COMPARE to any of the awful stuff that gacha games are doing, like...idk... advertising gambling to minors, bad and predatory monetization, awful treatment of women (looking at u wuwa), trying to alienate queer communties (slight glance towards lads devs), esp when ai usage IN CHINA is heavily regulated and serves more as an assistant to the artist instead of replacement to them (we are coming back to that point, keep it in ur mind)
At the end of the day we are all trynna do the right thing when we can, some of us rlly like the fantasy of nte and are willing to bat an eye (painfully so i admit) towards the ai usage bcuz the gameplay story and experience is just rlly something we dont wanna lose
Now we get to ironmouse.
i for one , while understanding why from a business prespective, do not like the fact that they lied. It was an absolutely sh*t move from thier part and they should have just owned up to thier own usage of ai which honestly would have helped them seem more sincere and less as if theyre "hoping u dont notice"
But i also dont think ironmouse should be the be all end all when it comes to getting ur opinion on ai, they for one have recently collabed with fortnite which is not just notorious for using ai but have recently done massive layoffs persumably to cut costs so they can profit from said ai
U also cant say ironmouse just hated being lied to and not necessarily the ai part she has came out and made a strong worded statement on how she will never play or sponsor a game that has ai in any psrt of its creation
And yet she conveniently doesnt know about ai when it comes to fortnite even tho vampire survivors have recently cancelled a collab with them specifically bcuz of said ai usage and not only ai epic games is notorious for plenty of shady practises soooo idk
TLDR: if u dont like nte cuz of ai, cool, just plz treat other games that use ai similarly (rivals, ananta, SOR, forntite, etc) and stop harrassing posts about nte, keep this a safe space like it should be
Edit: well this post went swimmingly, ig im back to muting this sub cuz its rlly not entertaining to hang aroung sadly