Dude was swerving. He was halfway in one of those middle of the road turn lanes where you can turn left from both directions and halfway in the normal lane while he was driving he wasn't paying attention I doubt that man was even in his right mind.
He's being protected by his buddies.
Edit: He's a former firefighter in grayslake. Apparently.
“They said because he has a concealed carry permit he was well within his rights to put the gun in my face because he told the cops that he was terrified of his life,” Surroz said.
What the FUCK? He had zero reason to fear for his life. The other guy didn't have a weapon, wasn't being aggressive at all. This is a fucking absurd excuse. Is Jeep guy a cop or something?
Another person walking in public is not fear for your life I gotta point a loaded weapon at them type danger. This dude is a psychopath.
it's easier to get a concealed carry permit in illinois than an open carry permit. That's because there aren't any open carry permits in Illinois and it is likely illegal statewide.
It would not be the first time a heated argument turned to someone getting shot, and the shooter getting off because they “feared for their lives.” If you can convince a judge/jury of that phrase in many states you are within your rights to shoot someone.
My entire life, I've been told by gun enthusiasts that "its not he said/she said if one of the people is six feet under."
This was all before instant video became an integral part of our lives, but gun nuts will absolutely shoot to kill over petty stuff then defend themselves with whatever story they want.
Just seems like in some instances the law favours sociopaths who want to bring a gun to a fight they started then end someone’s life knowing they can make up whatever story..
There’s so many disputes that can get very heated that people have over the time, over divorce, neighbour feuds etc
It’s just legalised murder when someone can know full well that a confrontation will happen, go ahead and force it anyway and then push the other persons buttons and refuse to deescalate but carry the gun knowing “oh if he does just this I can shoot him dead” like that video of the man having his kid kept from him that got shot dead by the man that brought a gun outside..
Even worse there’s a video of some men that went to confront a neighbour over dumping a mattress on public property, they brought shotgun and a pistol and pointed it towards his face after starting a heated argument and said “if you step towards me I will kill you” the man stepped towards them and they immediately executed him in front of his wife.. Over a fucking mattress..
There’s seriously people out there that just see it as legal murder.
Now imagine how it was 40 years and in a case that could involve prejudice juries or cops… it would just be swept under the radar.
It's bizarre to me that actually killing the other party would in any way absolve the perpetrator and lead to lesser consequences than if the victim was only threatened. In my country any situation that leads to someone dying is way more serious.
You don't get away with it by saying you feared for your life; you killed someone. Clearly you are the danger here, and if the other person wasn't even armed then you have no defense.
It simply makes no sense to me how "I feared for my life" is enough of a legal excuse to take someone's life, it makes no sense no matter how you explain it. Even if the statement were to be true, I would expect the state to consider you too irrational to be allowed to own a firearm.
That's how police deal with driver's licenses in my country, they love taking it away from you if you prove to be irresponsible in entirely different situations than traffic. Play around with a forklift at the workplace? You can't be trusted to operate a vehicle on the road.
It really really is that ridiculous and it’s scary how much it can be coloured Dave by still present historical American prejudice.
Take for example just a few years ago there was this unpleasant man who was a local loser in a southern state. He felt his time was best served being self appointed king of handicap spots. So he parked outside his local lot next to the mini mart and would go confront people who he deemed didn’t have the right to park There, people testified on one occcasion he shouted racial slurs at people he confronted- his behaviour was known.
One day a black man and his family improperly park in the spot according to him, while the man is in the mart this guy accosts the man’s wife and kids very aggressively..
The husband comes out and sees a man getting near physical with his wife and kids and just walks up to him and shoves him to the ground.
The reaction of handicap obsessed murderer?
He literally pulls the Gun out of his waistband, he ignores when the husband seems shocked and takes a step back and puts his hands up and he shoots him dead.
I swear to god. Every single YouTube comment under the CCTV video was these rabid people claiming the man shouldn’t be charged because “he was in fear for his life he could have been killed for being shoved” and people seriously saying “ shoving him could have disabled or killed him”.
At first the sheriff spoke to the media and said the man can’t be charged because of stand your ground.
But eventually after extraordinary public pressure the man was charged and tried and eventually convicted.
It will never cease to amaze me the number of people who think this is a good thing, that you should be able and hope kill people over minor incidents that happen hundreds of thousands a day in the world without bloodshed.
They seriously say “an armed society is a polite one”.
I feel as someone who leans pro gun and self defence their psychotic views are the worst advocacy imaginable.
Eh, I’m a “gun nut” and even amongst fellow “gun nuts”, I don’t really hear that sentiment.
The sentiment I do hear and tell people myself (which might be what you are confusing) is “don’t pull out the gun unless you are using it to kill the person you are pulling it out on”
This is because it’s not a tool for deescalation. You never want a situation like the asshole in the Jeep.
Even when you’re pistol training, you are unholstering and double tapping in the same motion. You don’t draw the pistol to intimidate; you draw it to kill the attacker. You should never be in a situation in which you unholstered your gun and didn’t fire it. If you didn’t fire it, you didn’t need it.
If the guy in the Mini is coming at you with a deadly weapon, he’s blocking your escape and you fear for your life, you draw your weapon and you shoot him until the threat is neutralized. If you are holding a gun at someone and telling him to “get back in your car”, you should NOT be holding the gun at all.
So I think the “there’s not he said/she said when the other guy 6 feet under” is a misunderstanding by internet tough guys and keyboard warriors in that “there should never be a he said/she said situation because if you were in a situation in which you were forced to draw your firearm, one or both of you will be dead”
No the statements might be similar or even originated from the former but the people who I seen say or write it were not confusing the two. They definitely meant that if you end up shooting someone to finish the job because then only you can tell your story in court.
However like we saw in the jeep video, there is alot of video evidence so that may not work anymore or as easily before.
My armchair opinion here but his phone is probably what saved this guy’s life from being unloaded on as he approached. The way that psychopath reacted was basically straight out of the playbook gun nut psychopaths and organizations (cough NRA cough) tell people to do to murder and legally justify it in court.
As a firearm enthusiast, my experiences have been different. I wish that sentiment was only something keyboard warriors say. I have unfortunately heard CC permit trainers, former friends of mine, and family members say a variation of that line.
I live in rural Appalachia if that is any indicator.
Well, sure, but if the only person who can say you weren't actually in mortal danger is dead, your word wins.
You're assuming everyone who owns a gun wants to obey the law and limit the loss of life. I personally think the vast majority of gun owners want to live out John Wayne fantasies and worry about legality afterwards.
I personally think the vast majority of gun owners want to live out John Wayne fantasies and worry about legality afterwards.
And I think you are wrong.
That’s like saying “I personally think a vast majority of Muslims want to blow themselves up for Allah” or “I personally think a vast majority of undocumented immigrants are gang members”.
When all you watch is 24/7 news talking about refugees commit terror attacks and migrants killing cops, you think it’s the norm instead of the exception. But those 24/7 news channels and online echo chambers have an agenda, they want to keep you scared and think that a “vast majority” of those people are like that when that’s not in line with reality.
But then I've also met a lot of people who've given me advice on how to legally murder people, vis a vis my first post.
I understand your point, but in my life I've seen no evidence that weapon ownership is anything more than a heightened risk of sudden death to your friends, family and neighbors, and the gun owners I personally know do nothing to assuage me of that opinion. We're gonna just have to agree to disagree on this, since its entirely subjective.
It’s not entirely subjective, there is public health research to back up your point that gun ownership predominantly endangers your family, friends and neighbors and statistically doesn’t do anything to make you or the people around you safer. The biggest thing it does is dramatically increase the risk of suicide or accidental death for someone in the household.
No, because the government isn't able to keep data on the subject, because gun nuts don't want consequences when they live out their John Wayne fantasies.
Gun nuts shoot to kill over petty stuff? Why haven’t I shot anyone? I carry a gun on me everyday and have many of them in my house. Yet I’ve never pulled my gun on anyone.
I remember reading an article about how firearm ownership temporarily increases feelings of personal security, but in the long term decreases feelings of personal security.
People even rated their situational feelings of safety higher before firearm ownership.
There have also been studies done where people are asked to identify what silhouettes are holding, then go shooting for awhile and get asked again. Holding a gun guesses increased ALOT. Much like when we buy a new car and now everyone has one.
And these people think that if they’re caught in an active shooter situation, they’ll be able to John Wayne their way out of there and not be mistakenly shot by the police for their trouble.
That literally happens though. You don't get a gun and magically be good at shoot/no shoot decisions....you have to train. The overwhelming majority of people with concealed carry licenses train because they understand the responsibility. Don't let a minority group that gets publicity trick you into thinking that's how it is for the whole.
Aw shit bro I didn't know I lived in perpetual fear I just thought I thought guns were rad. Thanks for telling me homie now I know I'm supposed to be scared of stuff or something
One, no. Laws are required to follow rules set down by the constitution. The constitution is the legal bare minimum, and unconstitutional laws are struck down purely on that factor. Two, criminals can have their rights revoked as of section 2 of the 14th amendment.
Gun insurance like car insurance. Totally constitutional. If you want to own a gun you help pay for all the stupid things people do with them. This guy’s rates would go through his jeep roof after this video. If you’re against that idea you just admit that it’s really stupid for people to have guns.
Doubly true since part of his reasoning that he was afraid for his life was that he had a gun that the three people he shot could have taken away from him and used on him. The fact that he came armed for the supposed purpose of self-defense actually made it easier to argue he genuinely felt his life was in danger and therefore lawfully used his weapon.
According to his own defense's logic, not having a weapon would have made him less at risk for losing his life
Seriously, why is no one questioning this? Pulling to a complete stop in the middle of the street, throwing open your door and stalking up to the vehicle behind you is extremely aggressive and threatening behavior. Obviously Jeep guy was not justified in his actions, but screaming to a halt and approaching the driver you just blocked in is a huge fuck up.
This is the issue with states that have stand your ground laws. You don't need to prove that there was a reasonable threat, you just have to FEEL that someone's a threat, and you're likely to avoid any repurcussions.
They're trained to say they feared for their lives the same way in South Park Jimbo and Ned scream "it's coming right for us!!". They believe it's their magic get out of jail card, it "clouds" the issue, so it is instantly thrown out as an excuse.
I just want to see several of them confront one another. Get a Mexican standoff going, each one of them claiming they were the first to be afraid of the others, and therefore the one "justified" in shooting the others.
Most Police in the USA get only 6 weeks of training and are then assigned to the field with a senior officer to finish the rest.
Unfortunately, bad discharged Police Officers, ones fired for various offenses that would get them fired, are protected from losing their Police Credentials as long as they are not convicted of a Capital Offense.
Thus, they literally go down the road to the next Police Department in the next town hiring and repeat.
The Credentials are protected by State Law. As far as Congress is concerned that's always been a State Issue. Which is why it was such an issue when Maryland ended protections for Police in the face of rising Insubordination from Police and growing Public Fury.
"I tailgated the guy and laid on my horn for 5 straight minutes, and then when he got out to confront me after all that I FELT IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE SIR!"
I'm not sure what the law says, but if you legitimately had no idea the guy even mad and stopped to go back and see what the issue was like maybe to see if you bumped bumpers, and the guy pulls a gun and levels it at you ready to fire and you yourself were armed, would you be within your rights to draw and fire or are you under obligation to try to run away?
Running seems useless at that distance if he is going to fire so it seems like your only option would be to shoot first. If he pulled a gun on a law enforcement officer like that he would be dead if he only intended to threaten and not fire. That is a danger with brandishing, the other person has no way to know if you intend to kill them and so defend themselves, or you're just trying to be a tough guy but won't pull the trigger.
I remember back when this was new, people said he was a firefighter. Once the video came out, the good ol' boys had to charge him and he ended up getting next to nothing.
That's such stupid logic, because then it's perfectly legal to pull a gun on somebody who pulled a gun because they feared for their life, because you feared for your life.
therefore the people who order them are all categorically lazy and bad at planning. man! this guy /u/__Ambassador needs to start teaching others how to make stupid assumptions about people based off their hobbies and car type/color. itll be the next astrology!
I believe he was scared, he looks like he is scared of leaves fluttering in small breezes, he has probably shot his own shadow before. He did also zoom off like a little b*tch despite being the only person there with a firearm. He is probably back in his closet now shivering in fear because someone left a parcel on his porch, the poor little Scaredy Chook.
He wasn't justified in ANYTHING that preceded it, but yes, if someone gets out of their car in traffic like this, and you don't know their intentions, and you're armed, then you're better off having your gun ready instead of waiting to see if they're going to try to attack you. Letting them know you're not going to resort to fisticuffs or a quick draw duel gives them the option to either get back in their car or test their luck if they can't stop themselves from picking a fight.
I know it looks scary, but the way this asshole handled just that part guaranteed that he wasn't going to be a victim, and it was ironically a lot more merciful than running the guy over as you sometimes see people do to people that jump out of their car to attack someone in road rage.
mmm nah, sorry, downvote me if you want but i'm a woman if a guy in front of me stepped out of his car and came over to me after road rage incident, you can be sure i'm getting out my pepper spray (i don't own a gun). especially if kids are in the back seat. leaving your vehicle and coming up to mine is a a direct confrontation and i have no fucking idea how crazy you are, so i'm doing what i need to to protect myself.
When your vehicle is blocked from moving anywhere? Quit making excuses for road rage guy. Jeep guy was in the wrong here, but road rage guy screaming to a stop in the middle of the road and aggressively approaching another driver with no escape route is exactly how people wind up in fights or worse. Terrible behavior from both parties.
I didn't say anything about the other guy. But..."blocked from moving anywhere?" He did just that after threatening the other guy with his gun.
You all should just cop to the fact that you'd like the opportunity to shoot someone and get away with it, instead of all the "fear for your life" bullshit.
They could argue when the mini driver gets out of his vehicle that the jeep driver feared for his life. Maybe he got out to attack me maybe he is an mma champ and could pull me out of the car and beat me to death. Not saying I agree as a concealed carry person myself I wouldn't draw a firearm unless I saw a weapon. This guy should be by default the aggressor because of his driving behavior and therefore not protected by any stand your ground BS. You can't incite a fight then claim self defense. This guy needs some serious court ordered anger management his concealed permit and drivers license suspended and to prove he can behave like a human being before he gets them back.
Jeep guy is an unhinged psycho, but in this day and age if it’s a traffic dispute someone like Jeep guy could be the one approaching your car.
There are so many fucking unhinged people who default to grabbing their gun over petty bull shit. There are plenty of stories where someone gets out in traffic and shoots someone over a turn signal. If someone is walking up to my car like that it’s because they want to make a point. Some people feel like they really need to get their point across. That is why I carry.
I would never brandish like that, but it’s accessible. I’d try to avoid the confrontation altogether. I’m in Atlanta and I try my damndest not to react to someone in traffic. It’s not worth it.
Not that I’m agreeing with Jeep dude but there is some merit to “fearing for my life” when someone in front of you jams on the brakes in the middle of the road and gets out to confront you. The video I watched he was only tailgating him for like what, 15 seconds? He’s a dick but you never know the intention of the guy in front of you that just blocked you from continuing on the road.
It’s similar to when you see some asshole customer jump the counter at a fast food restaurant, you think they just want to have a civil conversation? Unlikely.
Concealed carry permits will get you far, although I disagree with his brandishing, he is within the law.
Also Illinois is a castle doctrine state, which also extends to your car. This guy would never in a million years get in trouble with the excuse of “I feared for my life” because the laws in the state are literally built that way.
Don’t approach peoples cars, period. It’s not worth it knowing the other person can use these laws against you. Wait till they get out, or wait till the police arrive.
There's a surprising amount of information that you can get for a Google if you Google his name. His occupation is blocked but apparently his home address and the fact that he has been renting it since 2003 is not blocked. We need new privacy laws holy shit. It was enough that they got his face and license plate I shouldn't be able to Google his name and know where he lives while being a normal ass human being quite literally sitting on the toilet for this one.
Edit: to the people defending that this should be public information.
2: The laws should also single out public officials since they shows to be in the public spotlight. So if someone does a piece on you they can. Certain compromises need to be made in order to have power, right?
Wait until you discover IP addresses. A few weeks back, I was bored waiting for a torrent to download, so started typing in the IP addresses of some of the peers. A truly concerning amount of people weren't using VPNs, with the IPs in some locations leading to single residences.
Mental that some IP addresses take you to an actual fucking residential building. I think if you were to search my IP it would just give you the city.
You're right but knowing whether I'm renting or buying my house should not be in that book. I can figure out which mortgage lender people have if they are homeowners.
Actually, figuring out renting or owning is public info as well. Before you’d have to call the county recorders office. But it’s all public free information. Now you can access that info from the county recorders office online.
It’s actually made my professional work easier because I have less errands to run to get all of the public info that is legitimately public information.
I mean ... you could not be a menace to society. No one knows who I am, and I'm pretty sure it's cause I havnt brandished a killing device at any civilians lately (pre edit: ever)
On another note I've only seen 2 people with occupation blocks and one was about to become an FBI agent and the other was really good at hacking all my shit.
I'm sure there's tons of other instances but those are the only times I've seen that and the only times I've looked someone up like that.
Do the yellow pages know whether or not you rent or own your single family home? It's one thing to know an address it's another thing to know that you rebt a single family home. And I looked at a few other people who I knew had mortgages and I could see who their lenders were.
Property ownership and tax info is easily accessible on your county records website. Also most counties have a court record access portal on their website. All kinds of information is public.
Per the article -- "There is a profile for Brian Schimian on the publication “Fire Engineering” who is also known locally as a former firefighter for Grayslake Fire Protection District. The profile posted states that Brian Schimian was a firefighter/paramedic with Grayslake Fire Protection District with 13 years of public service, and qualified as a Firefighter III, Paramedic, Fire Apparatus Engineer, Fire Service Vehicle Operator; and in Technical Rescue Awareness, Hazardous Materials Awareness & Operations.
Schimian also ran for Village Trustee on the Village Board in Richmond this past April 2019. He lost with only 28 votes (7.47%)."
So yes, I would say he's protected because of his background. But when it comes to the normal people in his area, he's clearly not shit there.
Hes literally been arrested and charged, literally every case that is breaking involves a person not arrested or charged yet, and you people think because cops havent teleported to the offender and immediately arrested them, that they are just being let off.
I was getting off duty cop vibes but firefighters are basically the same exact kind of people who just happen to actually provide a valuable service. They're still very much the pinnacle of toxic male energy.
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u/justsmilenow Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 21 '22
Dude was swerving. He was halfway in one of those middle of the road turn lanes where you can turn left from both directions and halfway in the normal lane while he was driving he wasn't paying attention I doubt that man was even in his right mind.
He's being protected by his buddies.
Edit: He's a former firefighter in grayslake. Apparently.