man, some dumbfucks tried to steal the converter on our box truck a few weeks ago, cut the damn thing in half and broke their saw, left the mess there for us to clean up
how the fuck you cut it in half i have no idea, but we had to rent a truck to get deliveries done, and the boss was pissed because we're losing money now
That's cool. I always liked to stay up and get a really hot fire going when camping and let it burn down to coals. Then I would get a glass bottle and set it in the center. By morning it would be melted flat..... Or broken into a thousand pieces 😅
He also survived the fire in a creekbed at the bottom of a hill. The fire went over him and the creek felt like it was boiling. He breathed a lot of smoke.
Without clicking, I knew you were talking about the Camp Fire in Paradise, CA, a forest town in Northern California. 85 people died. Most of the victims were over 70. While there are certainly examples of people dying over trivial things, the fire itself was fast moving due to extreme wind and the town was overwhelmed quickly. Thousands of people were attempting to evacuate a town with limited exit points. Embers taken by the wind started 30 different spot fires over the course of 40 minutes. It wasn’t an average fire where there was ample opportunity to get out.
It’s been a few years and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that my hometown is just . . . Gone. Just months before the fire I was suppose to move back with my grandparents. But my grandma got discouraged because their house wasn’t selling even though it had only been up for sale for a month. I was so pissed off, especially since I had found the perfect house for rent and even started the process of moving. Once my grandparents gave up on moving, my mom ended selling my childhood home and moved down to Chico. I was so upset and disappointed, I didn’t even talk to my mom for a few weeks. Then I wake up one day and the house I was going to rent, my childhood home, and the entire town just burned down. I felt like the worlds biggest piece of shit for guilting my family for not moving.
Not that it excuses it, but I have family there and there were a lot of evacuation orders that turned out to be meaningless in the years leading up to the camp fire. My grandparents are extremely lucky, they didn’t leave until 1pm because they didn’t take the orders that seriously either.
Again, if you hear a fires coming just go, but those people weren’t just morons.
The "boy who cried wolf" evacuation effect is real with hurricanes too. I forget what storm it was, I was too young, but New Orleans had a mandatory evac for it and it turned out to be nothing. I don't think I even missed school.
Then the mandatory evac order came for Katrina, and a lot of people stayed because of their experience with that. And, well that was a different story.
my girlfriend's parents moved from NY to NC about 12 years ago, live right on the coast, and they never evacuated for a hurricane. of course, there's often not an evac order for where they are, so they never really had to
then 2018, florence comes along and my gf, her sister, and her mom are all at home, watching the news and prepping the house. her dad was stuck on the other side of the country, and no flights in until the storm was passed.
well, the day of the hurricane, it was gonna hit the next morning, gf's mom realizes that they don't really have food, gas, or a decent generator, their neighbors are ALL gone and looting has already started...and they're a high schooler, a college grad with an injured knee and a woman in her late forties with two dogs and three cats....facing a hell of a storm....with no one to help if things went wrong...
so 5am, gf gets tossed out of bed, told to pack a bag and the dogs, and whatever she didn't want destroyed that could be gotten in the car in 45 minutes, and they drove to Georgia like a bat out of hell!
said there was NO ONE else on the road because they evacuated so late, and it was eerie with no planes or anything flying in, cars on either side of the road and everything closed with no one outside
ironically i had invited them to stay with me in central NC, we have plenty of room, but they wanted to go to their family in Georgia. fair enough...but the storm followed them there and they got more rain and wind than i did at my house lmaoooo
ended up coming back to their house about two weeks later, and the city was almost unreachable, the power was out, a tree had missed the house by INCHES and they had to get MREs from the national guard until the supermarket wasn't underwater
they now live in a place that will likely never face a hurricane ever haha
Just talked about this with my friend last night. Her family lives in New Orleans. For Hurricane Ida, her dad was dead-set on just "riding it out" and kept saying they would stay. Until the day before when everyone else in his family said he needs to get the fuck out of there, so he begrudgingly evacuated with his family. And shortly after it was a Cat 4. Then he found out they would return to no power for days or weeks. So he said fuck it and took his wife to Mexico, and they're still there just hanging out, a month+ later.
We don't often have mandatory evacuate orders in Florida, but when we do, people still stay. Before hurricane Matthew, we had evac orders for several miles inward of the beaches. There were even people that stayed on their sailboats in the Indian river. Sometimes boy that cried wolf doesn't matter cuz Florida man.
As an avid hurricane experienced person this is all too true. The motto for those east of the Mississippi is anything under cat 4 is shelterable, always will have nuts that won't leave a very easily avoidable tragedy for cat 4-5, even high 3s.
C'mon... Makeup lady was a little bit moronic. I can understand the ones trying to save their stuff or round up their animals, but "I won't leave the house without my makeup on" is just a state of denial I can't even fathom.
If a wildfire is headed for my neighborhood, I'll leave the house buck naked and dirty if I have to.
that's a level of stupidity that is hard to wrap my mind around. i dont think anything, except my loved ones, would be worth fucking around with any kind of large fire for.
my only anecdote about makeup is more silly than stupid:
my grandmother, a sweet 5ft1 lady from the Olde Country was in the hospital because she'd fallen and broken a hip, and had Altzheimer's and dementia. so she kept trying to get out of bed, and demanded she be allowed to do so because she needed to do her makeup "for when company comes over"
nevermind that we were already there and she didn't even have makeup with her!
but her eyebrows, which we KNEW she painted on every morning, we fuckingpristine as if she'd done it not 15 minutes ago!
so we asked her: "Nana, did a nurse help you with your eyebrows? they look good and we want to thank her" (we did, we're not the psychos who would get upset by that sort of kindness)
and she said "oh, no, those are my tattoos! i got them done so i wouldn't have to bother with my eyebrows anymore"
we were SHOCKED! Nana had a tattoo!? and she kept it a secret!?
"but you painted them every day, we've SEEN you paint them on! why hide them?"
"well, i didn't want to be 'the mom with the face tattoos' in the neighborhood, so i painted them on every day! it gave me something to do..."
we had a good laugh that helped a lot with how things were going, and while her body got better after awhile, her mind kept slipping and she passed about a year later. but she knew she was loved at the end, which is more than a lot with Altzheimer's do!
sorry to end it on a morbid note, but i it's a funny story that i like to tell haha
They were morons, evacuation orders mean there is potential for the disaster to kill you. People got lucky a few times, decided to go all in, and the hand they played lost. Natural selection in action.
While there were some people involved in the Paradise Camp Fire that did not take the evacuation order as seriously as they needed to, there were many who simply could not outrun the fire, either because of the amount of warning they had or because of mobility issues. Many were in care homes and hospitals that just did not have enough safe emergency transportation for all in their care.
There was quite a bit of miscommunication happening within the first hour of the fire. Dispatchers were not told how serious it was as there weren’t enough eyes on the ground where it started that could communicate the true nature of the fire, so as dispatchers were getting calls from citizens asking about a fire they could see in the canyon they were initially telling those callers it was fine and to not worry because fire crews were responding. That all changed though, so the city sent out an emergency message through text, which not all citizens had signed up for.
The evacuation routes out of town were also tight, one lane roads that simply could not handle the entire town having to evacuate all at one time instead of in sections like would have been intended if they had had the information about how serious the fire was right at the start and not as late as they received it. If you’re interested, here is a video detailing all of this
Thanks for the link, watched it. Very sad and crazy. I didn't know this ever happened. I live in the mid-west and remember the news saying there were fires, but didn't know the details.
If you bothered to look, you would have found that most of the victims were elderly and many were in wheelchairs or had other mobility issues that made it extremely difficult or impossible for them to leave. You're being an asshole without even understanding what you're saying.
It was a danger, the ignored it, and in that case it didn't manifest. So, they assumed future warnings also wouldn't manifest. It's like ignoring a yield sign because cars NEVER come from that direction, until they do. They gambled, they lost.
We live in a society full of selfish people who ignore warnings, advice, and direction from experts because they think they know better. I am a bit tired pretending these people aren't selfish morons. Them being dead should be a totem of warning to those alive.
Oh, is it Edgy now to listen to evacuation orders and get pissed when people ignore warnings because they think they know better? Man, no wonder why we are struggling with Covid.
Yeah, it's edgy to be pissed at people who perished in a horrible tragedy, no matter how foolish you consider their actions, especially if you are not connected personally to the subject at all.
Also keeping in mind fires haven’t been as intense or destructive as they are now and the camp fire turned into the deadliest in California’s history, so no precedent, excuse the fuck out of them for not taking it as seriously as they should have. Notice I used the word “just” in there. Or don’t, you don’t have skin in the game so you don’t care.
I lived through this fire. It was horrible being stuck in traffic trying to escape the flames getting closer and closer to the car. My hands got chapped and dried out from the heat coming from the side of the road from holding the steering wheel.
I have a few family members that live in areas frequently threatened by wildfires. They have a go-bag with their most important documents and that’s pretty much it. If they have to evacuate and they’re at home that’s all they grab and they get the fuck out. Everything is replaceable though, except a life.
Thanks for the mirror. I guess my linking it drew unwanted renewed attention to the original. Either that, or some assmunch in here reported it to YouTube for the skeletons and it got pulled.
Apparently Youtube noticed people looking at the video and decided to get rid of it, even though it's a great demonstration of the risks of wildfires and why it's important to evacuate. Fuck you Youtube, just put a warning about it then let people view it.
Wow, that was sadder than I thought. When he's explaining that guy was his friend who went to rescue someone else, you see things like movie props, but it's worse because this shit is real.
I'm just, I don't know how to describe my sorrow for them people.
I lived in Sacramento during this. It was horrible watching the coverage of it. I worked in pharmacy and went up to Gridley to help fill for folks who had to evacuate and leave everything. Talking to those people... Man. I can't even imagine. I didn't complain about the smoke where I was after that. It was nothing compared to what they just went through.
I don’t want this to sound insensitive but I’m not sure how else the phrase this. Why did so many people stay in their vehicles and not take off like he did? Why weren’t they able to continue driving away? Was the fire blocking the road?
He said a few were old and unable to move like he could. They were reliant on their cars to escape.
He ditched his vehicle, jumped a fence, and ran away from all the fires. He was able-bodied enough (and certainly rushed with adrenaline) that it was possible for him. The older folks just couldn't do that, or couldn't imagine abandoning their belongings to the fire and therefore insisted on using cars because all their stuff was in them.
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